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Twin Peaks Rewatch 38: The Return, Part 4

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4 hours ago, Argobot said:

I feel like such a jerk for being worried that Michael Cera was cast in this show, because that scene was amazing. So hilarious and just spot on for all those actors. Damn.

I think it's understandable. I like Michael Cera, but I had trouble imagining a way for them to find a place for him that wasn't just "hey look at our famous friend". But it totally fit and was excellent.

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I am absolutely in love with the show. I love the red room, black lodge, purple room, glass box, man it's 👴🏻👍🏻 I love how Cooper can barely function from being in the red room/black lodge for the last 25 years, listening to people talk backwards, dance, don't have to eat, go to the washroom, change your clothes, etc.  it's no wonder he's amazed with everything. Helllloooo 

 

 when  I saw Michael Cera, I said yesss! Out loud he's perfect for their son. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 The show is so incredible, I'll probably watch the four episodes a bunch more times before June 4th. (I already have) 😁 🍫 🐰 

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I did not like the scene with Michael Cera, but I loved the exchange that Gordon had with Denise. The lines, the timing, the composition - it really clicked with me. Same goes for the interrogation of evil Coop. Boy, that was creepy. (Is MacLachlan wearing dark matte lenses while playing that character or something? His eyes just look so... dead... like a shark's.

 

By the way I am starting to get a little worried about the kind of 'stunt casting', for lack of a better term. Whenever we get an exterior shot of a new location, my head's going: 'I wonder which A-list tv actor/Lynch alum will show up for a single scene in this one.' Of course, that's totally me, but there are just sooo many familiar faces in this. Am I alone in this?

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I think people are over-analysing every little thing, which is what I feared since there was no Social Media the first time around

Why not watch it and "let it wash over you" things don't need to be explained

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48 minutes ago, Gattman said:

I think people are over-analysing every little thing, which is what I feared since there was no Social Media the first time around

Why not watch it and "let it wash over you" things don't need to be explained

 

Hahaha, Twin Peaks was designed to be over analyzed, or to let it wash over you, whichever you prefer.  I mean, they published a book between seasons 1 and 2 so people could continue to obsess and analyze even when the show as on a break.  Obsessing about it, analyzing it, talking about it was a national past time throughout the first season.

 

 

 

General thoughts on 4, I'm mostly on board with everything every one else has praised.  Coop's desperate and enthusiastic, "Coooffeee" before drying to gulp it down was amazing.  I think I only have so much in me for Baby Coop though, I'm sincerely wanting Regular Coop back on stage.

 

Maclachlan's performances are stunning. 

 

Unless the character has a lot more going on, I think I'm fine with Cera's one appearance.  I liked the scene a whole bunch, and it's a perfect example of the Lynch version of, for lack of a better word, the long joke (where something is initially mildly funny, then uncomfortable, and then becomes really funny through the sheer determination to not let go of the joke).  But as good as it was, I still don't need more of it. 

 

I didn't know Miguel Ferrer had died until reading this thread.  That's just another bummer.

 

Reading DoppleCoop was nearly impossible, to tell if he was putting on a show for Cole, or if the vomiting, brush with the Black Lodge, and the birth of Baby Coop all ended up doing a whammy on him of some sort as well.

 

 

Edited to add: I love the closeout of the episode is David Lynch himself telling the audience that he has no idea what is going on.  It's like he's with us on this ride.

 

Edited again to further add: @Gattman This is a contemporary piece on the reaction to the premier, even sans social media.

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Oh, another random thought.

 

I was very not prepared to have Nu Truman walk into a room with a modern dispatch setup and multiple other police officers.  It's like they're hiding the real police department behind the facade of Andy and Lucy.  Or that they keep Andy and Lucy on out of loyalty even though they aren't strictly needed anymore. 

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24 minutes ago, Gattman said:

The only thing I kinda want spoiled is, is Invitation To Love still on TV :)

 

 

Maybe it went on a 25-year hiatus.

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Just now, Gregalor said:

 

Maybe it went on a 25-year hiatus.

If Days of Our Lives etc have been on TV for decades I expect Invitation to Love to be as well :)

Actually with the bigger names of the cast I kinda expected them to be actors on Invitation to Love

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2 hours ago, Bjorn said:

Reading DoppleCoop was nearly impossible, to tell if he was putting on a show for Cole, or if the vomiting, brush with the Black Lodge, and the birth of Baby Coop all ended up doing a whammy on him of some sort as well.

 

Yeah, DoppelCoop during the interrogation was very different than what we had seen of him previously. Before, he was a straight up brutal psychopath, but he was still convincing as a functional human being. In the interrogation it seemed like he was having trouble even speaking like a person (I'm sure they processed his voice somehow), let alone being convincing as Coop. Vomiting up his garmonbozia (and oil?!?!) seems to have done a number on him.

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I really enjoyed this episode and now I am very impatient to wait for #5. Robert Forster is awesome but I can't help to really miss Michael Ontkean as Truman. *sigh*.

I am wondering why Albert seems so withdrawn so far. I miss his cynical side.

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I have finally created an account here, for the single purpose of requesting that Jake and Chris comment on the picture seen in the attached image.

 

Thanks.

 

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2 hours ago, KidAmnesiac said:

I have finally created an account here, for the single purpose of requesting that Jake and Chris comment on the picture seen in the attached image.

 

Thanks.

 

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It's the most ridiculous looking thing i've ever seen.. straight up.

 

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Man I really really loved the conversation between Cole and Albert at the end. Although I'm a little confused, is Philip Jeffries still alive then? I know Bowie is dead so they would have to work around that, and it seemed like Evil Coop thought he was talking to him but probably wasn't, but they're sure bringing him up a lot for a character that only came up for a couple of minutes in the movie.

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According to Harry Goaz, David Bowie hadn't passed at the time they were shooting some of this and he was going to have a cameo. But sadly, he was too ill to appear on set.. :sad:

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Just now, mikemariano said:

If Michael Cera's cameo was that bad, what's Jim Belushi's gonna be like?

 

Oops you mistyped "great" as "bad." Quite the typo to make tbh. 

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8 minutes ago, Jake said:

 

Oops you mistyped "great" as "bad." Quite the typo to make tbh. 

 

Fair point!

 

PRO:

- Cera's cameo threw enormous shade on James Hurley and the whole biker mystique.

- This is a believable family dynamic for Andy and Lucy.

- Cera's Wild One cosplay is better than LaBeouf's in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

 

CON:

- We don't know the new Sheriff Truman yet so as an interaction this doesn't mean much.

- The slow pacing of the new series makes a cute one-joke scene like this agonizing. The Las Vegas scenes are just as drawn out—but the mystery adds tension!

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ok so i just have a couple points/questions/ideas for some of what we've seen so far and maybe i'm reaching so if i'm way off base please let me know because this forum seems to be the one place i can find with real twin peaks insights. here goes:

 

1. Wally Brando is totally Dick Tremayne's kid

 

2. so MIKE makes it known that the Coops can't coexist... during the meeting with cole & company at the prison, evil Coop's speech and seemingly his cognition are much slower than in the previous episodes... so i'm wondering if as good Coop is gaining more of his "brain" as evil Coop is losing his... sort of balancing out??

 

3. the casino boss (Patrick Fischler) refers to a man as someone he hopes "roger" never has like in his life and for some reason i believe that this person is the same "anonymous billionaire" from the room with the glass box. i do think that we already know this character from the original run and this person would (obviously) be familiar with the lodges. 

 

something strange that also stuck out to me was how Dougie wears the jade ring and seems unaware of any of the business with doppelgängers and the lodges but maybe it doesn't matter since he's just a gold ball now

 

ugh i had another point but it's slipped my mind now... anyway thanks for reading through all the run-on sentences 

 

also the laura palmer we see in the black lodge with cooper earlier on removes her face to reveal a sort of white glow and when dougie evaporates he becomes this black smoke or fog. maybe they're unrelated as well but it's just something that stuck in my head that i needed to put out there. 

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I thought Bad Cooper might sound and behave weirdly because he barfed out all the garmanbozia? Dunno. 

 

I think that Dougie existing was the surprise plan and means that both Coopers can co-exist fine? Cooper took Dougie's place and Dougie took his and then immediately evaporated away. That seemed pretty cut and dry to me. 

 

But who knows? This show is all questions. It's crazy that it manages to be loaded with concrete seeming mysteries, given how ethereal it all feels as it's happening. 

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2 minutes ago, Jake said:

I thought Bad Cooper might sound and behave weirdly because he barfed out all the garmanbozia? Dunno. 

 

I think that Dougie existing was the surprise plan and means that both Coopers can co-exist fine? Cooper took Dougie's place and Dougie took his and then immediately evaporated away. That seemed pretty cut and dry to me. 

 

But who knows? This show is all questions. It's crazy that it manages to be loaded with concrete seeming mysteries, given how ethereal it all feels as it's happening. 

i think MIKE appeared to coop once he realized that dougie wasn't an actual doppelgänger and that's when he said that one of them would have to die. this is because cooper should have traded places with evil coop but he was "tricked"

 

i THINK that either coop can coexist with dougie but not with each other. 

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5 hours ago, Jake said:

I thought Bad Cooper might sound and behave weirdly because he barfed out all the garmanbozia? Dunno. 

 

I think that Dougie existing was the surprise plan and means that both Coopers can co-exist fine? Cooper took Dougie's place and Dougie took his and then immediately evaporated away. That seemed pretty cut and dry to me. 

 

But who knows? This show is all questions. It's crazy that it manages to be loaded with concrete seeming mysteries, given how ethereal it all feels as it's happening. 

 

Bad Coop repeating himself reminded me of the last bit of the season 2 finale, Cooper repeats "I need to brush my teeth" twice in a awkward way to Truman and Dr. Hayward before going into the bathroom for the final BOB in the mirror reveal. I think that whatever Bad Cooper is, he can't mimic human behavior very well when exhausted, or maybe it's just that he doesn't know how to act towards people that knew the real Cooper.

 

In regards to the Coopers, I think it might be as you say and thus MIKE saying one of them needs to die is just him wanting Bad Coop punished for tricking the "system" (whatever that might be), alternatively perhaps both of them are weakened by co-existing in the same "reality", which could explain the strange behavior from both of them so far, or be a driving force further on in the series.

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Just listened to the ep 2 podcast (yay, I was mentioned!) and wanted to make a point about the current relationship between DoppelCoop and Bob, at least based on what we've seen up to ep 4.

 

Jake and Chris, and several others in other podcasts and comments I've seen online seem to be taking the default stance that DoppelCoop is currently inhabited by Bob or is "with" Bob in the same manner as we saw at the end of the season 2 finale.

 

There's one piece of evidence that makes me think this is no longer the case. In ep 2, after killing Daria, DoppelCoop contacts NotPhillipJeffries who has the line "You are going back in tomorrow, and I will be with Bob again." I.e. NotPhillipJeffries speaks as if he's not currently addressing Bob, that Bob is not a part of this conversation.

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