Kerry won the 2004 election.

[Jaero]

I don't think for a second that the media and consequently the entire country has rolled over on its back and declared Bush the winner without an in-depth look at every vote - which is what's supposed to happen in an election - however, there's a possible smoking gun. We were so scared of having another fiasco like Florida that we've gone and prematurely ejaculated Fundamental Christian spooge all over our faces.

Bush won Ohio by 136,483 votes. Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of votes cast are voided—known as “spoilage” in election jargon—because the ballots cast are inconclusive. Palast’s investigation suggests that if Ohio’s discarded ballots were counted, Kerry would have won the state. Today, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports there are a total of 247,672 votes not counted in Ohio, if you add the 92,672 discarded votes plus the 155,000 provisional ballots.

Click Here. I'm not being a sore loser, but the Abominable Bush bluffed, and instead of calling it, we fell for it, and lost our handle on the next four years. I'm leaving the country if people who would stand up for what's right just roll over and admit defeat because they want the struggle to be over. Not this cantankerous bastard. Not yet.

[Ninja Dodo]

This better be true.

If it is though, why in the hell did Kerry conceed defeat?!

[Jaero]

Read the conclusion - the reason is that no one is holding their feet to the fucking fire.

Your Kerry Victory Party

So we can call Ohio and New Mexico for John Kerry—if we count all the votes.

But that won't happen. Despite the Democratic Party's pledge, the leadership this time gave in to racial disenfranchisement once again. Why? No doubt, the Democrats know darn well that counting all the spoiled and provisional ballots will require the cooperation of Ohio's Secretary of State, Blackwell. He will ultimately decide which spoiled and provisional ballots get tallied. Blackwell, hankering to step into Kate Harris' political pumps, is unlikely to permit anything close to a full count. Also, Democratic leadership knows darn well the media would punish the party for demanding a full count.

What now? Kerry won, so hold your victory party. But make sure the shades are down: it may be become illegal to demand a full vote count under PATRIOT Act III.

I used to write a column for the Guardian papers in London. Several friends have asked me if I will again leave the country. In light of the failure—a second time—to count all the votes, that won't be necessary. My country has left me.

The media is sucking the Bush administration's cock, and already declared him the winner - simply because they didn't want to be caught in the crossfire of another Florida. It's the media that makes politicians answer for their crimes, or so it was, once upon a time.

Kerry conceeded because he didn't have this information. And if the situation is rectified, the fucking media will forever call Kerry 'the one who will give up before the results are in'. Fuck this country in the ear.

[MrHoatzin]

He suspected that the cast-away votes went equally both ways which is a dangerous thing to suppose...

Ah...

[Emotion Magnet]

im frightened...

[Erkki]

What? Well, if this is true, Kerry is an idiot.

PS. Kill Bush.

[manny_c44]

The other votes would just be split 50-50 anyway. If kerry had a chance he wouldn't have given up...so you guys should probably give up now too.

[Kolzig]

http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov

[Jayel]

http://www.rense.com/general59/steI.HTM

wheee

and in case anyone here didn't hear about Stanley Hilton and his lawsuit

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2262

[Ninja Dodo]

Well, I've always said Bin Laden saved Bush... and I'm not talking about that video before the election. If it wasn't for evil Bin Laden Bush would have no leg to stand on. 9/11 must have been the happiest day of his life.

and in case anyone here didn't hear about Stanley Hilton and his lawsuit

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2262

If this is true and Bush gets impeached I think I'm going to die laughing.

...

And then get back up and realize it's actually deeply sad and disturbing.

[Jayel]

It seems true when you think about it.

why did WTC collapse? Why wasn't the central core left standing? How can jet fuel fire melt steel?

Even if you ignore the physical impossibility...

Why did the government collect all steel beams from the site and sold them off to China and India within mere 11 days after the incident?? even before the investigation began?? making money off of scrap steel is more important than 3000 lives? They obviously didn't want people to know the real reason why WTC collapsed.

[Ninja Dodo]

I don't buy the idea that the 9/11 attack itself was rigged, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bin Laden was 'encouraged'.

[MrHoatzin]

I don't buy the idea that the 9/11 attack itself was rigged, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bin Laden was 'encouraged'.

By, say hypothetically speaking, Reagan who had CIA train him to fight the Red Menace in Afghanistan? This is all conjecture, folks... in an alternate universe maybe...

[Ninja Dodo]

Well that's more of an embarrassing sidenote. I'm not saying I believe in conspiracy theories like Hilton's, just that I wouldn't put it past them.

[Jayel]

the most typical responses I get when I tell people about 9/11 are:

"you're only listening to one side of the story"

"if that was true Bush wouldn't be the president now. somebody would've exposed the truth"

"the government wouldn't dare kill thousands of its own people"

"they had nothing to gain by faking terrorist attack"

wrong wrong wrong and wrong.

government conspiracies work because people refuse to believe the truth. and why should they, when they're perfectly comfortable in the world the media fabricated for them.

btw, Hilton isn't a conspiracy theorist. He's apparently a successful lawyer and Bob Dole's former chief of staff who has (or claims to have?) enough evidence to alligate Bush of his connection to 9/11 incident.

[Marek]

I'm still not sure what to think about 9/11, but I do know some degree of iffyness is probably involved. We don't really know that much about the details of that day, and the 9/11 investigation was seriously thwarted by the Bush administration. For what reason? Anything ranging from incompetence to conspiracy is a possibility for as long as the Bush administration doesn't really open the book on things.

Actual plans once existed to crash a remote-controlled jet plane onto Cuba, to create a cause for invading it. That was under Kennedy, I believe. At least one book has been written on Pearl Harbor being a case of deliberate strategic misjudgement so that the Japanese threat would be obvious to everyone, and America could go on the attack. Not a popular story, but it's been well-researched. I'm just saying these things pre-emptively to those who cry "conspiracy nut!" at the first sign of someone using his imagination and discussing the possibility of something that people don't want to be true.

I really don't know about 9/11 though. I have a very hard time making up my mind about it. I wouldn't be surprised at anything, though.

[Ninja Dodo]

Well, let us hope Hilton is right and gets Bush impeached.

[Tanukitsune]

Well, I've always said Bin Laden saved Bush... and I'm not talking about that video before the election. If it wasn't for evil Bin Laden Bush would have no leg to stand on. 9/11 must have been the happiest day of his life.

If this is true and Bush gets impeached I think I'm going to die laughing.

...

And then get back up and realize it's actually deeply sad and disturbing.

He also helped Zapatero win the election here... We were all pissed at Aznar for making us go to a war that we didn't want to go too, but when they bombed us RIGHT before the elections, we all voted for the other party... And now everybody regrets it...

[Ninja Dodo]

What, surely the new government is better than Aznar?

[Tanukitsune]

What, surely the new government is better than Aznar?

Everybody I know is complaining....

BUT... I heard Bush doesn't like him, and he doesn't like Bush, so he can't be all that bad!

And he wanted Kerry to win...

[Ninja Dodo]

People are always complaining. There is no perfect government. People complained lots about the liberal "Paars" government in Holland and got rid of them. Now look where that got us.

[Jaero]

Dear Friends,

When actress Susan Sarandon appeared on the Bill Maher show over the weekend, he asked her what is the biggest issue we face as a nation.

Her reply was "voter fraud."

The usually knowledgeable Maher had no idea what she was talking about. When he asked, she replied:

"Something BIG is about to happen."

What I'm about to tell you is going to be hard to swallow at first. But if you're like most of us, once you start looking at the evidence, you'll scrape yourself off the ceiling, put your eyeballs back in their sockets, and you'll try to figure out what to do.

So here it is.

The highest crime in the history of our country took place on November 2nd. The evidence is now mounting (into a HUGE mountain) that the election was stolen. There is already a congressional investigation underway and a consumer investigation (headed by Ralph Nader).

Electronic voting machines that were manufactured by supporters of the Republican Party were used to alter the will of the people.

The internet message boards and chat rooms are bursting with talk about this. You can wait another couple days to hear about it in the mainstream media, or you can read on. Just remember where you heard it first.

I will outline the key points in this email and provide a link with much more information at the bottom. More information is coming out literally by the minute.

The election was stolen with not just one tactic, but with several.

Key points; "Black Box" Electronic Voting Machines: The key to it all was the use of electronic voting machines, that produce no paper trail. These were manufactured mainly by the two companies ESS and Diebold. Both of these companies are big supporters of the Republican Party. Walden O'Dell, the owner of Diebold, said in a 2003 fundraising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." Similarly, Chuck Hagel, the owner of ESS used his own machines to get elected to the United States Senate in Nebraska. A bill was introduced in the House and Senate to outlaw these machines and require a paper printout of each vote so that they could be verified and/or recounted. The bill was stalled by the Republican Party, led by Senate Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and it was not allowed to come to vote. Shortly after the November 2rd election, countless stories of problems with the machines began to surface. Many people tried to vote for Kerry and said that when the final confirmation screen came up it said they voted for Bush. In one precinct in Ohio, 4,258 votes were given to Bush were there were only 638 registered voters. Many more stories about the black box voting machines, their problems, and the investigation into their tampering are circulating. Blackboxvoting.org is leading the way in the investigation to proving the results were tampered with. ... Exit Polls: Exit polls were taken in every state. In those states that had verifiable paper trails for their ballots, the exit polls were virtually the same as the real results. However, in the states where electronic voting machines were used, the exit polls were mysteriously very different from the final reported totals. You can view the exit poll data directly yourself with the link at the bottom of this email.

Unusual Results: In the areas where computers were used to cast votes or tally them, some very strange results have surfaced. Here is just one example. In Baker County, Florida, there are 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them regsitered Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans. The vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush. Are we supposed to believe that 5 out of every 7 registered Democrats voted for Bush??? This pattern repeats itself in many Florida counties. You can view all the raw data for every Florida county at the link at the bottom of this email

Shenanigans: In addition to the electronic voting machines, there was widespread voter intimidation and disenfranchisement on election day. In many democratic areas, people waited hours to vote, while Republicans "challenged" voters' rights to vote, forcing them to fill out a provisional ballot instead of a real ballot. The provisional ballots were not counted on election day and we may never know how many of them there were, or what rules will be used to qualify them. Flyers were sent to democratic areas with an array of false information on them. People were told their voting precinct had changed, that their voter registration was not valid, or that they would go to jail of they tried to vote. The list of shenanigans goes on and on. You can see the some of the flyers that were sent out and read about more of the shenanigans at the link at the bottom of this email.

Investigations: This is not conspiracy theory. This is not heresay. There is evidence. There are witnesses. There are investigations underway. Three Congressmen have sent a letter to the General Accountability Office requesting urgent action and an investigation. Ralph Nader is leading a consumer investigation into voter fraud countrywide, and has already filed an official challenge to the voting results in New Hampshire. You can read the letter to the GAO and more about Nader's efforts at the link below.

They will call us sore losers. They will have their lawyers and computer experts too. They will refute the evidence. But the truth is on our side and we will prevail.

Here is the link to the information, if you would like to look into the details and become more aware of the biggest story about to break.

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection

What we need now is for the information to get out to more people. The mainstream media will bury this until it's shoved down their throat. So please forward this email to your friends and family. If every person tells three other people, everyone will know before the media decides to wake up.

Interesting, no? Before you claim that this is bullshit and a conspiracy, think for yourself. Click that link and take some time to educate yourself. Maybe you're right, but maybe not.

[Ninja Dodo]

I really hope this isn't just wishful thinking and they really have some solid evidence. Certainly the indication is that the election was a sham, but I'm not getting my hopes up until they get somewhere with this.