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Audiobook clip from The Final Dossier, which reveals the fate of a character from the original series: http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/twin-peaks-the-final-dossier-audiobook/

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/twin-peaks-season-3-blu-ray-bonus-material/ Can't wait!

So, someone on Twitter just posted that the dead guy in Carrie's house is one of the two henchmen that met up with Janey-E in the park...

Apologies if posted already, but here are some random tidbits from Sabrina Sutherland's AMA and David Lynch's Q&A from this week... Lynch (and Sutherland) have never read Frost's Secret History book, and have zero idea what's going to be contained within The Final Dossier. Frost and Lynch wrote the entire season together, and then Frost departed to write Secret History as Lynch filmed the season and had full creative control. Frost was shown any script changes by Lynch (who also made on-the-spot improvisational changes during filming) but Frost never vetoed or changed anything. No details on exactly how much is was on-the-spot Lynch. Lynch didn't dismiss the idea of a new TP season (or movie) but stressed that it'd take a very long time to come together (reiterated that The Return took 4+ years to write and produce). Simultaneously viewing episodes of the show "...definitely not the way to watch these parts." Sutherland was coy when someone asked who voiced The Arm in The Return. People on Reddit speculate it's Lynch's voice (most popular theory) while some immediately guessed Audrey or Charlie (due to the Arm referencing the story of the little girl who lives down the lane). Lynch said he wouldn't answer what happened to Audrey, saying that the viewer needs to decide that on their own. “What matters is what you believe happened. Many things in life just happen and we have to come to our own conclusions. You can, for example, read a book that raises a series of questions, and you want to talk to the author, but he died a hundred years ago. That’s why everything is up to you.” FWIW, Q: "Would you say that your understanding of what we saw is greater than that of most viewers?" A: "Yes." Bowie gave them permission to use his old scenes Annie was never a part of The Return's story and Heather Graham was never approached for a role Both Ontkean and Michael J. Anderson were approached to reprise their roles but declined Some of Sutherland's responses detail what filming a scene was like with Lynch and dives into a few more process questions, pretty interesting.

Do you have any readily-available links to further reading on these theories? Sounds like something I'd be interested in digging through a bit. Off to Reddit I go (only to never be heard from again)!

I always thought his were light blue, but also wasn't sure if they were meant to be white but that was as white as they could get them (via usable contacts)? This crossed my mind when I saw that they released those Funko Pop figures of Black Lodge Coop, who has white eyes. That being said, the Laura and "evil" Leyland figures also had white eyes too so who knows.

This and the Waggish article have given me far too much to chew on. Items in both seem to be stretches for the sake of making their theories work (and they admit as such at times) but there's quite a lot that seems plausible. Pretty incredible, really. I've read myself in circles about the finale episodes since Sunday and am eager to do a full rewatch of the season, maybe timed so I can finish it right when The Final Dossier hits. Also, the Medium article's references to the Jack Parsons connections made me realize I need to dive deeper into The Secret History. For Frost to write two entire books that cap the start and finish of this season leads me to believe that they'll both be pivotal in understanding a lot of what we saw. Even though Dossier has been described as a simple look into the lives of TP residents during the last 25 years I'm figuring there will be some really important stuff tucked into there. Assuming that post-Dossier we never get official TP material again, I can't even imagine how much the fanbase will dissect and build upon theories and ideas in the coming years. Gah, The Return was just incredible.

The persistence of Frost's upcoming book being labeled as his "final take" on TP also leads me to believe it's over, but perhaps they just mean via his self-written book format. I'd absolutely love to see one more thing - whether it's a shortened season or movie. I just don't see it happening. That being said, Lynch clearly loves that world so I wouldn't be surprised to see him want to jump back in again.

Hot damn, I forgot about that moment. Good catch.

I don't understand why Audrey would have the same name in alt-world while everyone else was different, though. But I do like the idea of Roadhouse-related scenes being in the alt-world, somehow. This theory has holes in it (James, Freddie, Shelly, Red, were all spotted there, among others), but it'd potentially explain the other episode-capping scenes that featured characters we've never met discussing other characters we never met or barely knew. After seeing the mash-up video that draws parallels between Jodi crawling on the Roadhouse floor and DougieCoop crawing for the electrical outlet, I wonder if there are more parallels with those scenes that I never noticed. Like the girl that kept scratching. And scratching. And scratching. Fun interview with Johnny Jewel of Chromatics about his experience filming and recording music for The Return: https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/09/the-world-spins-johnny-jewel-talks-twin-peaks-david-lynch-and-whats-next-for-chromatics/

It certainly crossed my mind, but I just don't want to accept an answer that turns the entire show into a dream. These episodes are gnawing at me more than I thought they would... "The stars turn and a time presents itself" almost sounds like what happens with Cooper in the final episode.

I've had similar thoughts, but would be way more onboard with the idea if Charlie had called Audrey by a different name (or not by name at all). Unless the opposite is true, and when she woke up in the white room she was suddenly in the same reality as Richard, Linda, and Carrie (and is not actually named Audrey). But yeah, her little arc had such a horrifying cliffhanger that I'd love to believe some type of answer is buried among the numerous things we saw this season.

I didn't even consider the notion that he'd forever be vegetable-like, but maybe you're right. I thought he was just waking up still, and a bit disoriented (like his confused "Where am I?" when he entered the lodge). I also feel like his previous impulses (spawned from BadCoop) of cheating and gambling will be wiped now that he's a GoodCoop seed. Wait til he sees the new gym set...

The way he acted outside of the lodge seemed to be similar to the way he acted in it. Quiet, only speaking when absolutely necessary, a bit blank-faced but also looking determined to push forward.

To me, that shot symbolizes the dark cloud that Laura's death hung over the town. A moment of pure terror, and everyone else seemed to share a similar reaction (even if they didn't literally scream and run as she did). Perhaps there's something specific about it that's important, but those were my initial thoughts since the first episode of s3.

This is where I think I've landed, although still ambiguous and full of questions. I haven't had the benefit of rewatching 17/18 yet, but were all of the alt-TP scenes that showed Pete/Josie/Catherine in a reality where there was no Laura body on shore only present while Cooper had Laura's hand in the forest? Meaning, this reality was only going to occur if he never lost her grip? I also just realized that those flashbacks were fully saturated, perhaps symbolizing the "light" of that potential timeline if the darkness never ascended upon TP via Laura's death (although you can say it was still in fact there, a la Leyland, Sarah, etc). It sounds like she was miffed that they only showed a portion of her performance... sour grapes. Granted we don't know the full story, and perhaps Lynch did indeed treat her poorly, but I think I'm ok with Julee Cruise being "done with TP". This struck a chord with me, as I just had a discussion with my wife the day before the TP finale about how I've felt disappointed in the direction/culmination of Game of Thrones. My feelings were that the convergence of threads in Thrones has been fairly predictable, void of many risks, not challenging, etc, which are things that pulled me into that story in the first place. I'm aware that when a story reaches its conclusion those things typically occur, but I just yearn(ed) for something a bit more difficult and rough around the edges. The first half of The Return, episode 17 felt a bit like that. The neatly-wrapped season conclusion where all pieces fit so snugly together in a puzzle, even to the point where everyone in the room packed tightly into a shot just to make the moment even more artificially perfect. "And you were there, and you were there, and you were there!" If this had been the ending of the entire two-hour finale I imagine it would have left a pretty sour taste in my mouth after the dust settled. I'm glad I rewatched episodes 1 & 2 before the finale, as they reminded me of the importance of Laura. The "two birds with one stone" quote has had me thinking quite a bit (along with everything else). Are Richard and Linda the two birds, or are they grouped together as one of the birds (the other being... Laura?)? I still don't buy any of this notion of Lynch trolling or "laughing off" expectations just because it didn't deliver something satisfying to you. In that case, you could say that Lynch (and whichever writers were responsible) laughed off every Twin Peaks fan's expectations during the numerous Season Two plot threads that were absolutely ridiculous. Freddie's fist is no more silly than Nadine's strength, Andy having thought-bubble revelations of a misbehaved kid, Dick getting his nose bit by a pine weasel, etc. Are you just taking this one to heart because it tied in directly to Bob and the typically dark/serious lore? As in, Bob deserved a better demise? I'd imagine/hope this will also clarify the notion of the timeline(s) and if anything was truly altered by the events of the finale (I'm leaning *no* on that one). I wish the book was out this week! Agreed - absolutely love this post. After spending 25 years where he did, I think Dale emerging, extinguishing BadCoop and then attempting to return to normal and live a happy life would have been a bit forced, especially considering the things that Coop experienced in the lodge and "Find Laura" being reiterated to him as a mission. It's his life's main drive since stepping foot into TP, especially now, and I love that Cooper never stopped. I had many great discussions with friends that were displeased with the direction that S3 took, mainly because they wanted chipper old Dale Cooper back and a show loaded with fan service that tried to recapture the feeling of old TP. Obviously these "friends" of mine weren't familiar enough with David Lynch and also failed to realize that anything attempting to recapture that magic (for longer than several scenes) could have very well missed the mark and felt forced. A new "Dale on the case" season may have still turned out okay, but I'm just really glad we got this version of TP. I mean, look at these great discussions! We're forever doomed to be in our own little lodge of analysis.

Now that the dust is settling, the weekly void that will be left from this show is starting to sink in. What an exciting four months. Now, time to begin filling said void with things like...

Is everything we saw leading up to 17/18 now essentially wiped/meaningless? Of course those things had to happen to get Coop back in position to (attempt to) alter Laura's path. Or is the reality with Pete finding no body, and the existence of Carrie Page, an alternate reality? Or are those things completely independent of one another? And why was the girl at the Roadhouse scratching herself so much? This is my mind today.

He was so great this season. I wish he had one final triumphant moment, but I suppose being told he was lied to for 25 years will suffice. I know it's been mentioned before but I really think they did such a fantastic job of integrating actors that had passed away.

Lynch seems like he legitimately loves the world and storytelling it allows him to explore. I'd be all for it, personally. S3 hit so many marks for me and I absolutely loved it. Sure, maybe I would have liked a bit more of this and that, but it really affected me in ways a show has never ever done before. Going to be a special watch when I'm older, that's for sure. I was too young with original TP to form some of the same emotional connections.

I could see her being a dreamer for some, but not all. That'd mean she dreamt up things involving Diane, Jeffries, etc, that I couldn't imagine her having any prior knowledge of. Maybe Diane. Waiting for someone to come up with a new proposed order to watch the episodes in. And character-centric threads combined into single viewing experiences would/will be interesting.

Or a short miniseries of pods for the Final Dossier book, so we can read along at the same pace. Who am I kidding, I'll plow through that the day it comes out.

Was there ever any analysis on the coloring of the Rancho Rosa logo at the beginning of each episode and a possible correlation to theme/etc? Not sure if I missed anyone diving a bit deeper into that.

I thought for a moment that alt-Leyland (named Billy or something we've heard) would appear there. I also thought that the waitress was going to be The Fireman's white lodge ladyfriend. This show does weird things to me as a scramble to predict or make sense of what's unfolding.

I agree with this. I woke up this morning still feeling confused about everything (including my own feelings), but also excited by the notion that there is still so much to try figuring out. And if those things are never fully discovered, and another episode never airs, it'll drive my curiousity to revisit original TP and The Return once in a while. I agree with @Digger about the resolution scenes feeling like a quick afterthought. I would have really liked a few more "happy wrap up" scenes after the Bob/Freddie fisticuffs, but I'm not surprised it didn't happen. "I am the FBI" with hospital exit scene and the theme playing was the fan-service moment I'll always carry with me. One tactic that never sits well with me is course-correction or anything that potentially undoes what we've previously seen. Still trying to figure out my feeling towards the Pete alt-flashback. Everything from the NewCoop/Laura/Carrie story is officially consuming my mind.