subbes

Yes! That is how I win threads! (SWIRLS CAPE MAJESTICALLY, TRIPS AND FALLS BACKWARDS INTO VOLCANO.) But really, I mean walk into an AAStudies dept and tell them race doesn't exist, and you'll have signs and signifiers out the earhole within minutes (assuming anyone has the time). Biologically race may not exist (not having studied it, IDK) but non-biologically we sure do have a lot of stuff about it. Which, er, may have been your point?

AUGH A TYPO NNNNNGH (SITS ON HANDS.)

Yeah, but walk into an African-American Studies dept and say that, and campus security will be escorting you out. (About an hour later, after the faculty have disarmed you with a lot of Theory talk and your eyes have glazed over and you're begging them to please please stop no please oh god please dont let the Fellow in Post-Structuralist Studies talk please no.) (I have a bad habit of editing posts within the firs five minutes they are up. I promise I will not do so with this one.)

Oof, this is going to be tricky to word... You're mixing the bio-SCIENCE!! view with the identity politics one, and the two have greatly different definitions of race/ethnicity. It's your right, obv, to talk from SCIENCE!! or wherever you wish, but be aware you'll be at cross-purposes with those talking from ID-politics (i.e. me, who took "Science for hippies" at Uni because I failed Calculus twice and worked out that the Humanities depts were a better fit than the CompSci/Engineering depts). I will say, the colorblind/raceblind thing is an interesting generational cohort marker since ISTR it was a total child-in-the-Reagan/Thatcher-years thing.

I had typed out a lengthy post about suicidality and depression, but I decided it was better not shared to the internet in general. TL;DR - feel free to PM me about depressmang. Also, it's dangerous to go alone. Take this:

Plus Notch is on holiday 99% of the time anyway.

He is the terror that flaps in the night.

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Aw. I would offer a hug but you'd probably cough a bunch of mucus into my hair and EW.

As you have probably noticed, I glide quickly into glib snark reactions when things get hairy, rather than staying and answering. I really appreciate that no-one else in the thread has followed me in taking the easy way out. Yes, it is sexist. Probably not in the way you wanted to be, sorry. I'd suggest that it's a "benevolent" form of sexism. Women can't be drafted because they are weak ickle flowers suitable for raising babies and not for being SPEHHHS MARINES. Women get cheaper car insurance because they are sweet and sensitive and caring and don't have the COJONES to weave in and out of traffic at 95MPH with a cup of coffee in one hand and a cellphone in the other (or they would have the COJONES but they don't because they have babies in the back seat). That doesn't sound like a privilege. I'd rather be able to prove whether or not I'm able to be a SPEHHHHS MARINE on my own terms[*], rather than have someone assume I can't because I have ladybits. Glib answer: Women's history month is just one month. Men's history month is the other 11. I think you'e still safely in the majority. (I'll come back to this one in a separate post with less snark.) A thread or discussion about sexism and feminism doesn't mean you can't start a thread or discussion about wars and famine and other things. In fact, you may find that your anti-war or anti-starvation thread draws in quite a few people who are also anti-sexist! It's interesting how those beliefs tend to overlap. [*] FYI I could not be a SPEHHHHHS MARINE because I have terrible eyesight and I bet glasses don't do well in zero-G.

(YELPS, DUCKS HEAD BACK OUT OF THREAD.)

(POKES HEAD BACK INTO THREAD.) Is it safe yet? I don't like it when we fight.

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Own a teeny tiny wizard of your own. (A doll made by this person is in my avatar. I'm not affiliated with the maker - I went to give feedback about my purchase and saw she had listed A WIZARD.)

Nah, it's just a "brand new toy" thing.

Was it SSDs? SU is in love with SSDs lately.

It was as high as 50%?

INTERESTING YOU WOULD SAY THAT, because I've just found my way back to a site I had bookmarked ages ago that may come in handy in this thread. It is called "Finally, a Feminism 101 Blog" and I know I've used a couple of their pages as primers before. NOTE - there's an "I was sent here by feminists, whaaaaaa?" page that implies you were sent there because you asked a silly question or etc. That's not my intention in using this link - I don't think anyone has asked a silly question. In fact, it's because that Feminism 101 blog has more answers from more intelligent people than myself, and lays out answers that are far better than anything I could give. I'm still learning from that blog myself - also there's a ton of "further reading" links if you're interested. Now, onto the subject of men in feminism, an excerpt from bell hook's Feminism is For Everybody (I've tried to cut it down a bit, hence all the ellipses. Emphasis mine.). But it ain't as simple as sticking a "Feminist" button on your shirt, for either ladies or dudes, if you want to actually participate. The Feminist movement's been burned before by people coming in and saying "oh yeah I am totally one of you" and then working against feminism, and that's led the movement(s) to be quite... suspicious? Guarded? Not entirely sure what the wording would be, but there's what might feel like a high barrier to entry. There's also self-policing going on as part of the need to divest privilege and patriarchal thought, which is part of the reason why it may seem like feminists spend more time arguing with each other than the patriarchy.

Sadly true.

Lack of explosions are a pretty important feature. I'd say it's #2 on my list of criteria, after price.

Originally saying something off the cuff and having to come back and correct myself/explain, more like (Also I am bored at work.)

Some ladyfeminists prefer dudes to id as "pro-feminist" or similar since in their opinion dudes who aren't female haven't experienced the oppression that female ladyfeminists have, since a dude can never fully know what it's like to be a woman. It's extremely debatable and I think wanders into the gender essentialism/biological determinism field, and causes difficulty with inclusion for T* members of the community. I used ally since in other anti-oppression groups it is sometimes appropriate to request non-Minority members not ID as if they were members of that minority. (Also ally includes those who are pro-women's rights but not necessarily feminist. More inclusive word choice in my brain ended up being completely the opposite. Well done, subbes.) I found some good stuff from bell hooks on the issue of men as feminists, and some other links but again, I'm on my phone. The Gardai thing is, er. Even as a joke it troubles me if I think about it (LOL FEMINISTS CAN'T TAKE A JOKE) but I havent been following the sorry so I don't know enough to say anything.

Argh! Laaaaaaanguage! I'm defaulting to "ally" because of my background with LGBTQSIAA activism/politics/study (my undergrad major was, more or less, Human Sexuality/Queer Theory; also I'm not sure on that last A, it perhaps should be another Q - it's so hard to tell, with these modern haircuts) and I don't know the actual guidelines for who is part of an -ism and who is just an ally or, er, y'know, in but not of, sort of thing. It'll probably turn out I am completely misusing the term.