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As a sidenote to you sidenote, the "dual wielding fishguns ?!" gives off a strange impression of déjà-vu does it not ?

"I'm such a fan of this game that I could blow you away just reviewing it" IGN.com "My mom bought me this game, I'll never thank her enough" IGN.com "This game blows" IGN.com

Hey ! Well done Nappi ! This is finally over, despite this thread's "artsy cred" I'm glad it turned out to be a massive epic Lord of the Ring style contest ! Were the 2nd and 3rd contestant not supposed to get a game or something ?

It does look awesome, I'm actually ready to make some paypal cash move to get a copy of one of these if any remain... Can that be done ? I give money you give Journal of game, then I give love to you.

Still don't see the difference between Chuckpebble's one and Tolbix's

I read it, pretty interesting thoughts, although I found it to be pretty loosely defining story, I was at a really interesting conference on Monday and one part was by Emmanuel Guardiola who said "I personnaly care about one single story: the one that players tell after playing, that is not necessarily the one you wrote into the game."

I had tears in my eye at that moment and people were staring at me in the metro too.

I liked your review of bully.

By the way, don't mention "beating" a game anywhere near Clint Hocking, he might go berserk

You got a point there

On that note Rodi, I think the thing is it will circumvolute too much to a huge fucking degree, you'll have a thousand ways to turn the tide and turn it back and back again, the frustrating thing is you will never know the outcome of the battle... And it looks quite ugly ^.^ but that's just me being a prick.

Don't really know the legislation on your side of the channel but can a journalist publish anything private about a non-adult ?

On a more serious note, the backwards clapping might be making this one the Braid of Podcasts... OMG CROSS REFERENCE BETWEEN MEDIAS CRAZY SHIT !!!

So there is only us having to ask ourselves then

The title is superb ! On the "will onlive change everything" matter, I guess that graphics can be involved but you could surely design some crazy fucking IAs and crowd behaviors that a normal PC could not process seamlessly, of course you can think of it in terms of better graphics but you could also think of it in terms of "Hey, I can really have a fucking huge amount of universe evolving in a intelligent way and calculate the every implications of the player's action" Because that's the main reason said for example on of ES:Oblivion guys said to the designer seating next to me and reading over my shoulder said: in what way isn't Oblivion the pinnacle of the RPG genre in the number of possibility ti offers ? Simply because everything is short termed, even a powerful PC would have a hard time calculating how the world would evolve if you killed the emperor or slayed that guy that's supposed to save the world at that point. To reprocess the story and implications of your actions in the longer term. And I guess you could do that with such a fucking huge amount of calculating power... I'm currently working on a side scrolling 2D project so I'm not the one craving for raw power but hey, that could open some sweet possibilities

That is hurting me in my inside of myself... Why would we not respond to creationists ? Because they won't listen to the answer. Simple as that, because we already answered their questions a thousand times and they just would not listen, not because they are creationists. But as you present them with the fallacies like "A book says it is true so the book must be true" they just won't comprehend or even try to. You can teach anything as long as one is willing to learn. If the only purpose of a question is to be asked and asked again until you get slapped in the face, just don't ask it twice...

And I will triple post to apologize to everybody for typing in shitloads of text out of my ass and making this thread about an awesome episode look like a warzone... I guess it's the Killzone 2 of threads. Sorry

Well, if that was the line I'd sure would know what to answer but I guess it does not interest anyone on earth but me to make parallels between architecture and video games... Because I fear threatened by your GUB whatever that is, I'll answer that part also: Because games are built on an bigger scale: people are paying a little part of the process: I've been working on a few little games for brands completely unrelated to gaming and I can tell you, if you make one of these where the client can be identify because they ordered the game, you do have to answer to them. So your remark concerns the large scale distribution model, not the media of gaming particularly.

Because to feel guilt, you need to feel bad about it, that's the first step, it would only reinforce that feeling for sure but you need to feel it first. If you're just having fun and killing people with no consequences, you can't really be serious about saying that the designers intended to make you feel guilty by rewarding you for doing something that you SHOULD feel bad about... Too much fly raping involved there. We are not taking this route because it was there as a logical failure of taking an example, that is what you would say of course, that is what everyone would say to someone who is as dumb as shit and who asks if what you do works, but that's good for a kid, an adult would ask the question "then why" if he's really curious about it. This answer is here for you to pick it in the example shown, because if I gave you two options "GFY" and "I'll explain" you would've say that there is another way. In fact there are two options to pick from: explain or dismiss. This is a egocentric attitude that leads people nowhere, if you only explain yourself or justify yourself only to those above you, you won't get very far, because you second you will lack even an atom of critical thinking, you're just fucked. Because you are your only source of questioning, and many a creative process includes being awake at 4 in the morning which is quite a lucidity lacking time to be working. Whereas if people know that they can come and ask you, rethinking and rephrasing your work can lead you to places you never could've thought of. And it does depend on where you place yourself on the knowledge scale, if you think too highly of yourself, you just won't ever justify anything or take any criticism for your work... That's a sad spot to be into my friend you can trust me on that... To dismiss the question? Just because someone is not qualified? No it's not valid of course it's not... Because you base yourself on a completely relativistic point of view philosophically speaking: what if you don't know that this person is the best architect in the world, you will have considered his question foolish when in fact it was very à propos. Ebert's our client now? Oh fuck, I hope I didn't upset him. Funny thing is, the clients (the people who buy games) have been convinced long ago. It's only the people who don't actually have anything to do with the project who keep butting in. Not by the question, but by the creative and thinking process that makes me go through the whole reconstruction of why is architecture art, why is art important ? What is art ? It might depend on the person but just thinking about these questions gives me a fucking erection, how can you not be excited about answering things and learning things you thought you knew but did not ? What if the line was "architecture can't be art because people live in it, they will never have the point of view that you thought they would have and their interaction with the building makes you surrender your art piece to the public who lives in it" ? so I'll quote myself: It might be ONLY the power that was given to you, and thus a limited one but you still have power, and it's no illusion.

On a completly different note: can anyone explain to me in what way Bioshock is hardly a game as Chris put it ?

How much would you give that picture for replay value elmuerte ?

Emotions that affect you can hardly be transmitted through content of which you do not participate, if you're not part of an action, I don't really see how I could make you feel guilty or in love with someone, or I would have to be a real master at communicating emotion through empathy, and even then I can't see how you would do it...

I don't begin to understand what you meant here... Two things not to get carried away from the example and staying on the matter: -You are an architect, you might have spent a long time calculating if it will work or not, it does not matter in the argument over the validity of an exterior remark. You know fully well why it works. -I come in and I do not say that "it will not work" or for that matter question your skills in the matter, all I say is "With little knowledge I have, it seems to me that this building will fall if there is too much wind" Then you can either: -tell me that you made very difficult calculations and that it will be all right, although we might be aggregating architects and engineers there, I was more talking about the very creative process as in the design phase only. -explain to me, lower yourself to my knowledge, develop and simplify everything so you share with me your passion. -tell me that I just don't know what I'm talking about. And the last one is the one architects often wish to use but their clients always ask questions, and if they want to keep the money coming, they have to explain themselves, although they don't like it because they often feel like having to lower their grand scheme to the dumb people who should just pay and shut up... As a former architect student, I can't begin to express how much foreign questioning can enrich your work. To go back to the analogy: if the question asked is fair no matter how dumb I am, how much of a dead baby rapist I am, my question is not me, it is formulated out of me, and my remark is not more or less accurate. So the whole point of it is: you should not consider how much of a douche Ebert is, or if he is good or bad at video games, because it does not matter in the process of thinking, of resolving that question WHO said it. And if it still bothers you here "Games are not and can't be art because the designer surrenders authorial control to the player by letting the player can interact in ways that diverge from what the designer intends" (as formulated by Chris in the podcast). So here, call it the OssK conjuncture if you like, I will only make me famous (mwahaha) even if I don't fully agree with that. Now the validity of the author is not questionable anymore, just argue over the point: can games be art?

That would make a sweet competition after the end of the cyborg one

Here comes a list of emotions, taken from wikipedia, supposedly a list of all emotions available to humans: I'm bolding the ones I felt in games. Acceptance Fuck I got to do this, ok I'll do it... I don't know if it's an emotion but hey, if it's one, I definitely felt it Affection Oooooh yeah, man I really had so much in my heart I wanted to tell Alyx Vance, to comfort her, to... ok I'm a geek I admit. Anger Not at a game that won't work but with a character or an enemy that is very strong or did something to me in the past. Annoyance Well, not an authored thing nor a good thing but I sure felt it in WoW a thousand times. Apathy Aherm... what's that feeling ? I don't care for that character at all ? I don't give a damn about that quest... Yes, I do feel the lack of feelings towards you mister generic henchman. Anxiety Mostly in oblivion, caring for what will happen and feeling the world is going to shit, or a troll is going to rape me in a hole (IGN.com) Awe Aaaaaerrr... I don't really know if I ever felt respect for anyone in a game, yeah maybe in FF5, I was so amazed to be able to control powerful characters like that old man that could kick every enemy's ass, or maybe in valkyrie profile when you control Freya at the beginning... OMAGAD SHE KICKS ASS THE SEXY WAY, ETHER STRIKE !! Boredom Same thing, World of Warcraft... Compassion That one, I don't know, never really came to me Contempt Man, that boss was to huge but I guess I'm even bigger... And you should've seen me when I was in japan ! Curiosity A thousand times. Depression Again, World of Warcraft was a very rich experience in manners of negative feelings: fuck this world, there's nothing to do here anymore, I might as well kill myself, everything is sad everyone is a dick... I hate myself Desire Most definitely Despair I don't really know... No I think at any point, I was despaired, because at this very second, my suspension of disbelief would shatter and I would find a way out, but again, it has to be in the game (IGN.com) to count, not the "aaaw I'll never beat this boss" rather "man, I'll never save the world, there's too much to do..." Disappointment Oops, the princess is in another castle, oops, you thought this was over ? Think again biachte Disgust Did I ? Ecstasy The list having euphoria and ecstasy in it, I guess the subtle nuance between them would make me say I have not known ecstasy anywhere out of sexual activity, sport or food. Empathy Poor little girl don't cryyyaaa** BITCH SHE BIT ME ! Envy Man, that gear is sweet, I wish I could kill you and take it but... me and what army ? Embarrassment not really... Euphoria FUCK ILLIDAN FUCK ILLIDAN FUCKFUCKFUCK WE KILLED HIM WE KIIIILLED HIIIIIIM !!! Fear That hill is quiet... too quiet... Frustration English's not my native language, sorry, I don't really get the difference between frustration and Disappointment. Gratitude I might want to quote that "thank you game for being sweet", can someone tell me where this piece of wisdom came from ? Grief Not really, that's it, a game never made you cry outside of it's story-telling elements. Guilt Yes, Oblivion again made me really feel guilty as a person for doing some things. Happiness Such a bullshit word... of course I've been happy pla... wait, have I ? Have You? Hatred You killed me a thousand time, through me smashing my buttons so hard I hope you feel my wrath ! Hope Not sure Horror Midway between fear and disgust... I don't know what it means really... Hostility Is that a feeling ? Hysteria Well, Hysteria is the strong and crazy expression of a bunch of feelings if I'm not mistaken... So yeah, which kind of hysteria ? Joy Happiness... Joy... Don't you have another dull feeling to put in that list ? Jealousy Which is different from envy in what way ? Loathing Despising something in a video game... I don't really know either Love Not really, but I don't know if I ever felt a stronger love towards a fictional character than the one I felt for Alyx or Yorda... Some particularity of a game: first person man, there ain't much medias that convey stories in the first person mode as strongly as video games. Books written in that person are often creating a narrator character. Pity Not really, and again it's very close from compassion isn't it ? Pride Yeah, that's a sure one, and I guess anyone could say the same. Rage Once more: can't really tell the difference between that one and a few above Regret A thousand times and a thousand more FUCK why didn't I do that, why didn't I think of that... Remorse Not really, in today's games, you don't really influence the world around you in a very direct way, that would be a fucking sweet game: look, you developed industrialization to upgrade your army, congratulations, you won the war: now look at the landscape you created... Sadness Not sure if a game ever made me sad again. Shame hum.... not sure either Suffering Surprise Wonder Yes and yes again and again Worry Yooooooooorda, fuck I hope she's all right....