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Those guys are really catchy. Looking into more of their stuff now after listening to three more linked tracks after the end of that video. Thanks for the suggestions everybody. I liked Utah Saints as well, but I'd probably only listen to them in something like a party situation. Dance and electronica I like well enough, but is really setting-specific for how much I'll enjoy it. Good hip hop always makes me happy though. I actually really like Ufomammut too, but also in a "soundtrack to a thing" way rather than a "listen to it regularly" way. Glad I heard it though, it was pretty damn cool.

My girlfriend has roped me into a project that she's putting together with a few people. Everyone involved is making a 25 song playlist, one song by a band from each letter of the alphabet. I've got a pretty varied list here (ranging from Cool Keith to The Grateful Dead, with all points in between) but I'm having a lot of trouble coming up with one for U. There is exactly one song by any band starting with the letter U in my library, and it's the one song I can stand by U2. I'm not really even THAT fond of it, but used it in a thing a while back so it's on my computer. I don't want to have to use it, so I'll put this to you guys: What's a good band I should take a look at starting with U? I like stuff from pretty much any genre as long as it's good, but some genres (metal and electronic, mostly) have to try harder than others to impress me. Entries are of course encouraged to be something we actually listen to often, but everyone is expected to have a few "bye"s (in this case, something we found recently but really like) as well, as it can be tough to fill out a list like this. To expand the options a bit, while usually an artist that just goes by their name is listed by first name in the rules for this list, I was allowed to cheat a bit and use Warren Zevon for my "z" entry, just because "z" is freaking hard. As such, first or last name will do. Any thoughts?

Ha, ok fine. Can we assume Orv meant "post" rather than read? You really want to nitpick that much?

Hear, hear. Hopefully at least you don't think I'm insane for being troubled by this now. That was my main goal in responding in the first place.

Maybe drink something other than tea. Buddy of mine gave himself a kidney stone from drinking nothing but tea for 2 months. You can overdo anything, even water with leaves in it.

NOTE: Rodi's post went up while I was writing this: I'm sure there's a point to be made regarding the fact that you distinguish humans so readily from other animals in your first paragraph and then use a "we beat all the other animals!" food chain argument in the second, but I doubt you'd be swayed and the nature of internet arguing means that doubtless at least one of us has already accidentally grossly misinterpreted something anyway. If you want to boil it down to a competitive evolutionary thing though, I'd think (hope?) that a victor who at least treats those defeated with respect would be superior to one who slaughters indiscriminately and claims "we won, fuck 'em." As an aside, it's been astonishing to me how many threads on this forum lately have had people saying pretty much exactly the things that I used to say a few years ago before school started forcing me to read dissenting articles. Unfortunately, my own ability to explain what I found compelling enough about the arguments to incorporate parts of them into my views is lacking and I seem to end up fumbling my way through mis-representing key points. I should probably stay out of these things. At any rate, as you say "they're still human, and that's what counts." If that counts for you, I'm cool with that. Personally, I don't see why it should count over other criteria (believing in many cases that this is a secular adoption of the "it has a soul" argument, which I think is nonsense) and this is why I struggle with justifying my eating meat, but that's not something that a few posts at one thirty in the morning is going to change either of our minds on. I certainly have the same gut reaction as you on the people front, but I don't like to trust my gut without anything else to back it up and have never seen anything compelling enough to do so in this matter. If you have what you consider to be good enough reason for this to be your criteria, as I said above, at least it's a definite boundary (as opposed to sentience, the invocation of which always riles up my arguin' blood). Beyond that, arguing that we shouldn't eat people is not the same as arguing that we should eat meat. That's the other side of why I struggle, as there are at least a few animals I would say are completely off limits as they are just as, if not more, capable than some people. Either they're all fair game or none of them are. To me, arguing against eating people is arguing against eating those animals as well. Please note: I am not trying to argue against you here. This is merely me expanding on why I believe the way that I do for the sake of clarity. I say we accept this point of divergence and call a truce, yes? Rodi: I lean towards piscetarianism in most of my life right now anyway, but it's something of a gradual transition. I only eat meat (hell, including fish) a couple of times a week, but it is still something I look forward to. The way you describe your own transition, you just didn't care about it and so you gave it up. I'm quite envious, actually. My partner was the same way. She didn't like eating meat as a child so as soon as she started buying her own groceries she was instantly a vegetarian. I absolutely love the taste and, as I've said, am somewhat weak on this front. I mediate it by keeping my meat meals as cruelty-free as possible, but giving it up entirely just isn't something I'm ready for at this point. I'm trying to slowly wean myself from it, but for now the situation is something I'm ok with.

It's a matter of what you want to consider "sentience," as far as I'm concerned, and I'm never fussed by anyone as long as they're consistent in their application of whatever rule they want to go with. Some human beings with particular mental disorders are less capable of what is commonly considered thought than an adult pig, as are pretty much all infants. If you have no objection to eating them as well, then fine, we're done here. I have no problem with you. As I said, I'm cool with being eaten myself when I'm done with my body. If your rationale for why we shouldn't eat something boils down to "it's human" (fine, I guess, as it is at least a set boundary, but as I see it there are groups of humans that I could make a more convincing case for eating than some animals) or "it has a soul" (I don't think anything does, so try another tactic if you want to convince me) then I really do think you need to take a step back. Sentience has no deliniated boundaries. Is it self awareness? Is it the construction of a personal narrative, or can that self awareness be moment-to-moment? Saying something "is sentient" without at least providing YOUR definition of sentience is completely useless. And I'm reasonably confident that there are some people, who we consider people, who would probably not fit into your definition of sentience. Again, I do eat meat. I do have a lot of questions surrounding the practice that I do not feel I've personally resolved to my satisfaction though. EDIT: removed a sentence because I hate "slippery slope" arguments and didn't want to be accused of making one. I think it was irrelevant to the overall point anyway.

Why is that head explode-y? I can't come up with any kind of real ethical justification for it (beyond things like shrimp, anyway, which barely have any kind of nervous system), but enjoy the taste and continue eating it mostly because I always have. I have no real objection to giving it up, only the fact that I really like the taste. Conversely, I can think of all sorts of arguments for why I shouldn't eat meat, but seem to conveniently forget them around meal time. I consider this a moral failing on my part, but have adjusted my habits (see the above free range and so forth) so that I can live with it, at least for now. One day, that may no longer be good enough and I'll go full veg(or at least pisc)atarian. That day has not yet arrived, but hell I may like myself better when it does.

I have a hard time rationalizing my eating of meat, aside from that I'm kind of weak in that regard. I've never been able to come up with an ethical defence for it, but continue to eat meat anyway. I've at least migrated over to free range, organic, etc etc, in the hopes that if I'm eating animals that were at least treated well and supporting said treatment, I'm at least not doing nothing. I'm also ok with being consumed myself after my death, should it one day be considered halfway acceptable by society, because I figure that to not be would be hugely hypocritical. If they want to start giving animals rights, I'm all for it.

Punch Drunk Love is the reason I can never honestly say that I hate Adam Sandler. If that isn't a recommendation, I don't know what is.

Congrats, dude. Hope they don't do anything too spiteful on the way out.

I hear you. My own car was purchased second hand off my mom two years ago, so not only was it MY first car, it's also the car that got me to hockey practice when I was twelve, that I banged up running into things at low velocity when I was 15 and learning to drive, etc etc. The girlfriend calls in "the bilgemobile" (in honour of the TV show Mission Hill, at least somewhat) and I know it won't last that much longer, but the thought of its mortality makes me unbelievably sad. Let's hear it for getting way too attached to things that are incapable of loving you back!

I'll take a screenshot when I have the chance. I'm on a desktop with a Radeon 6750.

I thought it was intentional, and thought the z fighting thing was as well. Also, on my second playthrough I noticed the horsebag ad in the airport. Fucking great. I want that on a t shirt or something.

Holy shit, it really happened! Awesome times for all! EDIT: Also, this momentous occasion is also the 100th entry in my Idle Thumbs iTunes feed. Perfect.

I just played through it really quick. Going to do so again shortly. Thumbs related: loved the music, and that an ad in the airport was for Third Person ********* UltraBoost. Good stuff. Also just a cool little experimental game thing in general. I liked it a lot.

Yeah, I played it a couple of years back and quite liked it. Been meaning to play the sequel since picking it up last(ish) Steam sale, but still haven't got 'round to it. I should install it to make myself feel bad about not playing it.

Yeah, I'd actually forgotten that we had them until my grandfather (who lives there) sent me a team Canada hoodie. It's a super comfortable hoodie, so all's good, but it struck me as funny how little everyone cared even one province over.

Propose to him!

Yeah, me too. I've never read the comic or seen the show, but an acclaimed Telltale adventure from Famous and Video Games? Fuck, ok, you've got me. As for Saint's Row, I've played through all the DLC packs and liked them well enough. I feel like they probably would have been better if I'd played them while going through the campaign rather than after I'd finished it, so if you're going in to the whole thing green maybe give them a shot. Trouble With Clones and Gangstas in Space are both fun side stories, while the Genkibowl stuff is forgettable but fun enough as an extra set of activities.

It's a pain, but I suffered through it to play Dawn Of War 2, Bioshock, both Arkhams, Red Faction Guerilla, and other things that I'm sure I'm forgetting and, pain in the ass though it is, I wouldn't let it stop you. It just means that the first time you boot up a game you'll be forced to sit through several updates and it'll probably take way longer to get started than it should. After the initial clusterfuck, it's just one more log in on your way to the game. If you put up with Uplay shit, you can handle it. Especially if you have a 360 and therefore already a live account to log in to.

This thread makes me really want an iPad. I had no idea that there was an ios version of Modern Art. Now I really want it.

I bought it ages ago but still haven't played it! Anyone looking to play some Trine 2, if I'm on Steam let me know. We can work out a thing!

I was a machete/carbine man myself.