This is a very nice thread My gf is a Sims addict, and she has 5 expansion packs of the first one and the second game. She actually stays up till 2 AM playing this thing, so that thing about it's for "casual gamers" doesn't really hold. If you are into the Sims, it takes over your life just like a strategy game like warcraft 3 does. And the sucky part is, it never ends. She recently bought KOTOR and Fable and she loves both so girls can play other stuff besides the Sims.