BigJKO

Haha, that's a great comic. "Th-that makes me feel uncomfortable."

I agree entirely with what brkl says, and I wish I could formulate my opinion as well as he does.

You're right, your steampunk friends are actually probably a good reference for the style this game is going for. I still think there's room for developers referencing other stuff than today's popular culture image of these eras. I lashed onto your comment and took it at the same face value as Twig's "women I see on my way to work dress worse than that" comment, which I still think is completely irrelevant to how Elizabeth should be depicted. Irrational can do whatever they want, and yeah.. If they're actually trying to say something with her fashion, that'd be great. I somehow doubt they are, but I'll be happy to be proved wrong on that! So yep, I agree with you. If there's actual context for her sexualization, then I'd maybe sort of be fine with. I'm still sick to death of sexualization of women in games, because there isn't just some of it, but an overwhelming amount of it. I just think there's a range of female characters that could/should be represented in games and that still doesn't mean anyone has to be ugly. Films already do this pretty well. Some (a lot) do it badly, but there's a much better balance in terms of interesting female characters that don't dress like prostitutes for no reason.

Yes.. if Bioshock Infinite were a game about your steampunk female friends at a conference in the 20s, then they'd obviously have referenced real life. (And hey, who knows, with all the time rifts and stuff, maybe Elizabeth is actually a steampunk fan from the 20s ) But really, I'd hope they'd reference how women dressed in real life in 1912. That would be completely relevant. As it is, it sort of feels like the reference was a screening of Moulin Rouge. How is covering up her massive cleavage the same as saying she should be an ugly, fat bastard. Really, there's also just.. a difference in how massive her cleavage can be. I feel like you're equating us with prudes, which is pretty fucking annoying. I'm not going "my, oh, my.. look at all them blasphemous teets.. they are simply too big! why does this girl not look like my granny?!" I just wish Ken Levine and Co. had just the tiniest bit of restraint, maybe showing us a tiny bit less cleavage, and not plaster it all over every fucking screenshot, especially when they otherwise put a lot of work into making her a pretty good character. I agree that it's a secondary issue to the roles females play in games, but that doesn't make it any less of an issue that when a game is as smart as Bioshock Infinite is about most things, they still go ahead and pander to the lowest common denominator when designing their women. If you don't care, that's fine. Just don't tell me that I shouldn't care, or that I should stop before I make all women dress in overalls. EDIT: Also, there are loads of ugly leading men in films. They're not the majority, sure, but a long time ago Hollywood realised that men also wanted to see men that looked like themselves in leading roles. Old, ugly, fat men.

It doesn't even bother me that much. It's just one drop in a way over filled bucket and I had previously thought Levine and his merry gang were a bit more sophisticated. His arguments and surprise at why people looked at her boobs, it just came off as very disingenuous. Also, every time anyone argues somewhere along these lines and the counter argument is "eh, I don't care, why do you?" It gets on my nerves, because it's such a non-argument.

Again, what real-life, actual women decide they want to wear isn't the point anyone was trying to make.. This is about how developers decide to dress up their make-believe video game girls.

I think the point is that women on the way to work, being actual, real-life women, can dress any way they want, while Elizabeth only dresses that way because she was consciously designed and approved this way, presumably because it's hawt..

Yeah, I got a bit carried away. Should've realised you weren't serious..

Yes.. up in arms about the cleavage, not that she's pretty/has large boobs/a silhouette. I am up in arms, because it's a bullshit choice to make that only means my girlfriend is going to give me funny looks when playing this and I'm going to feel just a tiny bit embarrassed about video games for the umpteenth time..

No one is up in arms about the size of her breasts or that she has boobs or that she's bootiful, or whatever! It's the fact that a concept artist, then a modeler and then a texture artist went ahead and made the world's largest cleavage on her and then featured that in all screenshots. He can talk all he wants about silhouettes, eyes and whatnot. There's a still a massive cleavage there that didn't need to be there.. especially if Ken wanted people to focus on her eyes and her personality. Also, covering up her boobs does not make her the equivalent of a man with a spare tire.. That is the worst argument ever. Or is the argument everyone else is having that she should be uglier?

Oh, neat! I hadn't seen Zoetrope before. That does indeed add all the things that I felt were missing in LOVE!

Yep. She's wearing a dress that fully covers up her chest. Thankfully they didn't give in to the frat boys on that. Unless it ends up dramatically popping open when they're attacked by that bird-guy, revealing her desirables.. I didn't watch the entire footage, though, so that may happen there already.

Every humanoid, female character on that page is designed to show maximum chest/cleavage..

Kickstarter holds onto the information from every backer and then you're charged only if the goal is met. GODUS might still happen. No one ever thought Maia or Sportsfriends were going to happen.

You mean $3000, right? It was at $147.000 and then suddenly jumped to $150.000. EDIT: It was notch, he upped his pledge.

That's much better!

I'll agree with you on that one.. That looks like a pretty shit game..

Wait, they covered up her boobs in the new trailer! NO BUY!

I thought Kirk said loads. And even coined a new thumb-ism with his brand new delicious dish review score scale. I'm also happy that Chris interrupted him and called him out on the "objectively good" thing.

Nice! What did you think of the Love2D framework?

Haha, the monkey face..

Ever wanted a console that can CREATE entire games for you? Want to play a platformer in a dungeon? Boom! It's been created on-the-fly by the computer! This has to be a joke somehow. http://www.otonx.com/

Hints and tricks do help when you're stuck like a boss.

The Day 5 video has a hilarious recording session with Camden (I think his name is?) doing a Brooklyn Garbage Man robot voice.

Oh, sure. But he specifically asked to get into the industry.. If you just want to make games, then makes games. Or... do you want to hang out with game developers? I'm confused now.. what was the question?