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I feel the same way - I don't really find a lot of value in attempting to find a perfect puzzle, but I enjoy reading other peoples attempts because even if I don't fully prescribe to their theories it opens up new doors in my thinking about the show. And yeah Windom Earle's ghost was all over season 3. I really think that in some ways Bad Coop was a second bite at the apple of Windom Earle. Earle was intended to be a foil/mirror/dark Cooper, he was just also stupid. The black and white chess pieces, etc etc etc. When Bad Coop busted out that Earle-esque briefcase computer it I was pretty destroyed. I liked the way all of the lore and insane plot machinations were handled with Bad Coop so much more than Earle, though; it's night and day when that stuff is filtered through David Lynch behind the camera (and when he and Frost are writing it instead of a rotating writers room).

Thanks! I just read this theory that DOES attempt to connect every single thing together. It doesn't ring emotionally true to me, to what I got out of the season, but it was still an interesting read: http://www.waggish.org/2017/twin-peaks-finale/ (as I said at the end of the part 18 episode, it is rad and refreshing to have a television show on that can generate this much different thought, interpretation, writing. I love it.)

Yep this is accurate as far as I can tell. I Google Street Viewed some city limits boundaries of Odessa Texas, and the number on the latest street view sign is the same as the 2010 population count. It was a fun theory all the same

Hahaha get out of here with this. But maybe... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

I have pressed the button! Sorry about that.

Christ. Fine, good, you did good.

Oops I don't actually know. I probably pulled it from a bad source?

I strongly disagree with this! The actual creators, Frost and Lynch, can choose to include what they think the audience wants, or not, but the audience themselves are absolutely not part of the creative team. They are literally not part of it - we were not consulted on the script or asked for feedback - and we also aren't in any figurative sense that I believe holds water. You said the audience wasn't "owed," but then declared that the audience was in fact part of the creative team, which is worse(!) because the implication is that the audience is entitled to its wishes being made manifest by the people actually creating or financing the show, on equal terms with those people who are actually taking huge risks and exerting huge effort to make this series real! Give me a break.

I think Cooper thought that's what would happen, somehow, because he goes to visit someone he thinks will be Laura Palmer, and he has the person right... but it's not actually Laura. It's not the person he expected, or the past he expected. It seems like he has somehow shifted over into an entirely separate reality. I don't know how or why, but it doesn't seem like he actually changed the past, but found himself in a wholly separate timeline? Presumably the Twin Peaks we know still exists somewhere but Cooper is, once again, not in it? The line "One chants out between two worlds" in the fire walk with me poem now seems to mean something different than it did before? We have seen what seem like (at least) two totally different realities this season, with the red room/lodge(s?) serving as the transitory space between them(?).

I agree with this. Leland was a fucked up mess of a person and father. I'm sure he meant well and deserves plenty of sympathy because of how tragic his story ultimately is, but he is guilty of many many things on many levels. To say "it's Bob actually" feels like it simplifies most of the interesting elements right out of the show, reducing things to "an evil alien made me bad." That doesn't say anything interesting about human beings or our culture; I don't understand what the point of it would be. At this point I like plenty of the weird world-spanning lore of Twin Peaks as presented in season three, but I am having a ton of trouble reconciling it with the more human scale, character-first, ambiguous-at-best versions of many of these themes and concepts we saw when Lynch was at the helm of the original series or FWWM.

Twin Peaks Rewatch 49: The Return, Part 14 It was a jam-packed, breakneck episode of Twin Peaks this week, full of new connections and long-awaited revelations, standout performances all around, dreams that seamlessly blinked 25 years into the past, and a guy with a green glove that gives him super strength in one arm. In Part 14 we were served a cocktail of Twin Peaks past and present, where good and bad mix up and overlap so much you can't quite tell what is which, and that's the best kind of episode to pick apart and really discuss in depth . Links mentioned on this episode: • Philip Jefferies - Fire Walk With Me/The Return Voice Differences • Recreated - "Black Yukon Sucker Punch" from Twin Peaks If you have a question for us or thoughts to share on the new season of Twin Peaks, write us at [email protected]. Looking for a place to discuss the season with fellow viewers? We recommend the Twin Peaks Rewatch forum. Listen on the Episode Page Listen on Soundcloud Listen in iTunes

If you read his Twin Peaks recaps at Vulture you'll see he largely if not entirely has dropped the gimmicks.

It's my hope/assumption that since the "new" Dougie is going to be built from the seed (glass bead) of old Dougie but the hair of good Coop, they'll end up with their old Dougie back, with whatever memories and feelings he has (from the seed) but without the parts bad Coop was injecting (because the hair source is switched). Sorry if we play fast and loose with who Dougie is and who Cooper is. When it counts we try to be clear that it was actually two bodies changing locations, and not "Cooper taking over Dougie's body." Cooper took over Dougie's LIFE but their bodies are their own.* * Dougie's of course, while his own, was created by Bad Coop.

I wonder about this. What someone says and what they do are two very different things, and with bad Coop those two things don't always line up. It's true that we have seen Coop say that he doesn't need anything, but at the same time what we are shown is that he very very much needs things from Jeffries, from his assassins, from Dougie's body. If you judge him from the perspective of his on screen actions not words, at least right now in this dangerous time of transition, he needs more than wants. (Or needs and wants.)

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I think its ridiculous to jump to "he meant 'I intend to rape Annie'" as the only takeaway from that, if that's what you're implying??

I don't buy this. I think it's easy to think that, because it's the show we got. But those choices aren't inevitable. E.g. BOB manifests as a sexual predator when he guides Leland's hand, but does that mean it had to apply to Cooper? If it "must" mean that, did Bad Coop have to succeed? In any version, they also had the choice to tell the story differently than they did, and focus on the human (and I'd argue, actually interesting) level. Instead - up to this point at least - I feel like we're watching an attempt to have cake and eat it. "Well yes he would be a rapist and isn't it totally fucked up that he'd be a rapist? Anyway moving on to cool meta-arc lore..." These are all creative choices, not inevitability. (The season isn't complete so I'm not going to post about it more until then. But as of this moment I think it's worth raising an eyebrow over at least.)

To say season 3 is "about" those things on anything but a plot level is disingenuous. I'd argue, at least up through the episodes we've seen which is all anyone can argue about, that the story and feeling and character motivations of the season would be unchanged if the rape pieces of plot-fill were removed. That's absolutely not true for the Laura Palmer story (seasons 1.5 and FWWM). Those stories and those parts of Twin Peaks are truly "about" what you say, while I think in Season 3 Bad Cooper is written as a rapist as a device to add more notches to his "he's a bad character" belt, and it's otherwise disposable. To me, thematic injections of that type into Bad Coop are fanon, are wishing there was more there than there is. We still have two more chapters so I guess we'll see, but so far the show hasn't seemed concerned with more than lip service to the themes and concepts you're describing, when Bad Coop is concerned.

Oh well! thanks for trying!!

Those wrong band names could be a legit indicator actually? Also maybe: Roadhouse scenes when the sign was shown directly, versus scenes when the sign is upside down reflected in a puddle?

This guy gets it.

Twin Peaks Rewatch 48: The Return, Part 13 Twin Peaks refuses to get stuck in a rut, but may be stuck in time. Or maybe time has lost all meaning? It's hard to tell right now. Sarah Palmer watches the same few seconds of television on loop, while Audrey loses herself in an existential conversational spiral, and Ed and Norma can't ever seem to get started at all. Also Cooper punches someone out of his chair. Just between you and I, this week's episode was a great one. Join us for a discussion of Twin Peaks The Return, Part 13. Notes: Chris was remote this week, and Jake was sick, so it's a bit echoey and muted and downbeat... until we talk about James, of course. Also, next week's episode will be late due to traveling. Enjoy! If you have a question for us or thoughts to share on the new season of Twin Peaks, write us at [email protected]. Looking for a place to discuss the season with fellow viewers? We recommend the Twin Peaks Rewatch forum. Listen on the Episode Page Listen on Soundcloud Listen in iTunes

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Thanks for not saying any more until tomorrow but I'm glad to hear what little you just said.

I disagree with all the things you said haha (full disclosure of course, I worked on Spacebase). Half Life 2 episode 2 is probably the best piece of Half Life 2 content that Valve made. It ends on a cliffhanger but also: it's an amazing game moment to moment and as a complete chapter of a story. I'll never stop recommending it. I also think it's mega cheesy to act like now is different than a couple weeks ago, when it's been almost a decade since the last one came out. "All-but abandoned" and "abandoned" were basically the same thing with this game, for the last five years at least if not longer.