anoldtoilet
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Here's a neat scene where Mrs. Tremond appears to Donna and Coop as someone completely different, as in episode 18, and then hands them the missing page from Laura's diary.
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6 hours ago, Aether said:I agree. Cockney Freddie and the magic glove versus a Bob rock: that's not "simply disregarding viewer expectation". That's David Lynch laughing at you.
Just stop with all this crap. You have no way of reading into a creator's motivations and just because you personally disliked something doesn't mean that it's a personal attack on you. I'm so fucking sick of this attitude from fans and critics, that just because something doesn't align with their tastes and expectations, there must be something wrong with it, there must be something about it that's laughing at them.
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Just now, pabosher said:But it isn't Twin Peaks. That's how I read it: this is an alternate world/reality, where nothing is the same: not even Cooper.
Diane might not have been the same, but Cooper is. He reads the note addressed to Richard like he has no idea what Linda is talking about, and then later in the same episode introduces himself as Agent Dale Cooper.
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At the end of episode 18, Laura is alive, knows who she is, and is back in Twin Peaks. Cooper succeeded in saving her. BOB is in the Lodge again, and will remain there. There are loose ends to tie up, but they're in a better position to do so than ever before. Chalfont/Tremond tried to trick Coop and Laura into walking away into the darkness, forgetting everything that happened, and living a life lost, empty, and filled with pain, but it didn't work. Laura still woke up from the dream.
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I think it's really telling how people are so passionate about it being a bitter, sad, hateful ending when I can't read it any other way than uplifting and positive.
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2 hours ago, Frohike said:I also think that it's significant that the powerful "negative" force has a name that is possibly based on the Chinese verb "to explain" (jiao dai):
http://dictionary.pinpinchinese.com/definitions/t/交待-jiaodaiLike the will to lock everything down and assign linear meaning is somehow an implicitly destructive force.
http://dictionary.pinpinchinese.com/definitions/s/胶带-jiaodai
As a noun, it means "Recording tape." Guess it was Diane the whole time
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Just now, UnpopularTrousers said:I expected this to be a controversial topic on the forum but no one has really talked about it yet, so I will ask:
Are we to assume that the sexual encounter we saw between Diane and Cooper was the rape which she spoke about in episode 16? Because that's how I saw it, but can also understand why someone might disagree.No, because Diane was raped in her house, and the sexual encounter we saw took place in a mysterious motel and then a different mysterious motel.
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I think it's just cool stunt casting to add to the otherworldly spookiness.
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8 minutes ago, anderbubble said:But she's played by Mary Reber, who apparently literally owns the house in real life.
http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Mary_Reber
I wonder if Mary Reber also disappeared into blackness in real life after Sarah Palmer yelled "LAURAAA" from inside of her house.
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Just now, anderbubble said:I haven't thought this through much yet; but I wanted to at least get it out there.
I think the ending might be about the border between the reality of Twin Peaks in the show and the reality of the real world itself.
The first thing I though this about was when Leland says "find Laura"; who does Cooper go find immediately? Laura Dern.
Then, they go to Sarah Palmer's house. Who do they find? The literal person who actually owns the house in real life.
They found a Lodge spirit. Mrs Tremond/Chalfont.
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Mrs Tremond/Chalfont tried to trick Dale into leaving, but Laura listened to the sounds, shattered the veil over reality, and woke up from the dream life imposed on her. It's a cliffhanger, sure, and there are a million loose ends, but there's also a ton of resolution. Laura is alive. Bob is back in the Lodge. Dale did what he meant to do.
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47 minutes ago, Invisible Strings said:I didn't like it because David Lynch didn't want me to like it.
thats weird because i loved it and im pretty sure lynch wanted me to love it. the ending was perfect. if we get more, sure, whatever, it'll be cool, but it could end forever now and I'd be satisfied. That was perfect.
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that was the greatest ending to any tv show i've ever seen.
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On 8/31/2017 at 4:30 PM, pabosher said:I mean, it also tracks with BOB being 'the evil that men do', I think - he is your id, unshackled.
"He is BOB, eager for fun. He wears a smile, everybody run."
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I feel like Johnny's going to come back in a big way near the end and completely brutalize someone in a horrific fashion.
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25 minutes ago, LadyHawke said:Kept hoping that she would crawl over and untie Johnny so he's give Richard a well deserved smackdown.
Working in a psych hospital I've been attacked by the mittens and helmet folks. They don't stop until they're on the bottom of about ten staff.
Chekhov's Invalid imo
Twin Peaks Rewatch 52/53: The Return, Parts 17 and 18
in Twin Peaks Rewatch Episodes
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I think this has something to do with the sex magic angle from The Secret History. From wikipedia, describing Choronzon from Aleister Crowley's sex magic ritual:
Choronzon /ˌkoʊˌroʊnˈzoʊn/ is a demon or devil that originated in writing with the 16th-century occultists Edward Kelley and John Dee within the latter's occult system of Enochian magic. In the 20th century he became an important element within the mystical system of Thelema, founded by Aleister Crowley, where he is the "dweller in the abyss",[1][2] believed to be the last great obstacle between the adept and enlightenment. Thelemites believe that if he is met with proper preparation, then his function is to destroy the ego, which allows the adept to move beyond the abyss of occult cosmology.
Seems like they fucked, which destroyed their egos (perhaps Diane's unsuccessfully or in an incomplete manner, which is why she left and fell into the abyss of the manufactured judy world), allowing Coop to move beyond the abyss.