Arianna

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  2. Posted

    Just started a rewatch of S3 and have gotten through Eps 1 & 2 so far. This series is utterly incredible on rewatch, when you have some idea of how things tie together. The proximity of the scenes of Experiment/Mother in the Box and  cut to Sarah Palmer casually watching violence feels even more chilling. It's also plenty scary seeing Cooper appear in the box right before Experiment/Mother does - is she chasing him? I get the feeling I am going to watch this a lot of times.

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    18 hours ago, Urthman said:

    In retrospect, EvilCoop at the end of Season 2 seems to have been saying, "How's Annie? As if. Like Twin Peaks is ever gonna spend even 30 seconds caring about how Annie is doing? Ha."

    I just rewatched the S2 finale and am even more convinced than ever that Annie isn't real, but now I'm leaning toward being one kind of unreal thing or another built out of Caroline. 

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    Re: the question of exactly what was going on with Lucy and her issues with cell phones - I took it as that whole episode in the Sheriff's Department with BadCoop and Coop and the clock ticking back and forth etc as being a moment that reverberates into the past and futures of these characters, making Lucy's failure to understand cell phones (which she obviously understood the concept of in the original run) her 'Hold the Door' moment. Her involvement in scene, shooting BadCoop and having to cope with the idea of multiple Coopers reverberated back into her past existence and has made her terrified of the idea of one person in two places.

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    2 hours ago, kuddles said:

    Someone on Reddit found this old article that was posted before the pilot of the original Twin Peaks even aired, and the quote David Lynch gives at the end is very telling about how his mindset was even at that point.

     

    When it is pointed out to Lynch that television shows almost always catch the bad guy at the end of each episode, that the audience likes its criminals behind bars before they go to bed, that it gives them a sense of "closure," his soft-spoken patter erupts in disgust.

     

    "Closure. I keep hearing that word. It's the theater of the absurd. Everybody knows that on television they'll see the end of the story in the last 15 minutes of the thing. It's like a drug. To me, that's the beauty of 'Twin Peaks.' We throw in some curve balls. As soon as a show has a sense of closure, it gives you an excuse to forget you've seen the damn thing."

    Haha, fair enough. Maybe we won't get any closure on Annie, but then again, Mark Frost loves to wrap things up neatly (and was trolling about Annie on twitter the other day). It's a fun tension.

     

    Edit because I don't want to spam post up this thread: Has anyone made the obvious 'Jeffries is the fish in the percolator' joke yet? Sorry guys, I'm writing a paper and procrastinating by thinking about Twin Peaks. (Realtalk though, I love how coffee has been supernaturally important to this series and yet, universally, people are calling Jeffries either a kettle or a teapot)jeffriesfish.png.049c22a133802855e9b0922d290c3e69.png

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    11 minutes ago, SkullKid said:

    I've always had a soft spot for Annie. I found her endearing. BUT! I dig this theory. Her having agency isn't necessarily a plot hole, either. Diane's tulpa was able to fight her "programming" for awhile and tell Albert, Cole and Preston the truth about her past. So I could see a scenario where Annie is able to fight her programming enough to help Laura. 

     

    I don't feel a need to retcon Annie, as I always enjoyed her role, but the fact that she was only mentioned *once* this season--Hawk reading from Laura's diary--and Cooper's complete disinterest when he wakes up would point to her being, as you say, a trap. 

    I didn't mean to imply Annie was crap-ly written - just that everything around her introduction was handled poorly! I like her as a character and wish we didn't need to ret-con her but TSHOTP completely erases Annie out of existence. It says Norma is an only child, her maiden name is Lindstrom, and that her mother (named Ilsa, apparently) died years before the events of season 1 - no Annie, no MT Wentz, plus Heather Graham said she would have loved to have been in S3 but was never asked. We've got to find some way to square that circle!

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    Ok, apologies if this isn't the appropriate place to keep blathering about my S2 rewatch, but oh boy I am really starting to think Anne Blackburn isn't real. I don't think it was intended that way when S2 was made,  I'm sure at the time she was just crap writing in an increasingly out of control show, but the way TSHOTP and Season 3 went it just feels like she can't be, right? Here's how I figure the ret-con of Norma's background and Annie goes without it just being a crude ret-con:

     

    Annie was always just a black lodge plant to trap Cooper. Somehow, they tampered with reality to either change Norma's family story (after the Dossier was written) or to just straight-up manufacture Annie as a tulpa. She existed purely to pull Cooper into the Lodge and trap him there. My only problem with this theory is that it is a little inconsistent with Annie then having the agency to tell Laura about DoppelCoop, which is why I lean toward the altered-family-history angle - at least that way Annie is a person who would have real feelings and agency. Or maybe altered-reality-Annie died in that suicide attempt that left the scar on her wrist and the version we see in Twin Peaks is a Doppelganger/Tulpa and the one who warns Laura is the real Annie? And I mean, honestly, she comes out of absolutely nowhere, no one ever talked about her before, and suddenly she's there? This is some (predating, admittedly) Dawn Summers shit. Honestly, Norma's out-of-nowhere-in-S2 family makes more sense as a weird Lodge plant. It would help explain what a cruel trainwreck her mother is - a mean restaurant critic can sure create some garmonbozia :eyeroll:.

     

    What I find very convenient is that a few months ago on Reddit, someone pointed out that Annie's last name is Blackburn. Black Corn. Black Fire. Black Burn. I'm sure this is just a convenient coincidence - I really don't think she was intended to be anything special when she was first created - but since it exists I am sure this is why Norma's maiden name was made Lindstrom in TSHOTP - to highlight the potential significance of the name Blackburn.

     

    If this is how the ret-con is working, it actually makes DoppelCoop laughing hysterically while asking 'How's Annie?' at the end of S2 work even better for me. Of course he's laughing - he knows what she is/was. I just hope we get some closure in the Final Dossier.

  10. Posted

    On 9/9/2017 at 10:40 AM, Jake said:

     

     

     

    Thanks!

     

    I just read this theory that DOES attempt to connect every single thing together. It doesn't ring emotionally true to me, to what I got out of the season, but it was still an interesting read: http://www.waggish.org/2017/twin-peaks-finale/

     

    (as I said at the end of the part 18 episode, it is rad and refreshing to have a television show on that can generate this much different thought, interpretation, writing. I love it.)

    The one thing I took from this is that, on doing the S1&2 rewatch I'm doing right now, I take as being at least pretty solid headcanon that Red is the magic-trick Tremont kid and is spreading these tainted drugs to create more garmonbozia.

     

    An aside from my S1&2 rewatch - I had forgotten that Sarah Palmer was physically (though not mentally, due to drugs/being unconscious) present on the floor for the murder of Maddy Ferguson, right after seeing the white horse. I sort of feel like this is as good a candidate as any for the moment when the frogbug 'awakens' in her - being present for such a distilled moment of suffering and fear.

  12. Posted

    20 minutes ago, JPL said:

    Pretty Hate Machine was 89, but fall 89 and I think S2 has been proven to take place in early 89, and I forgot that Temple of the Dog / Pearl Jam formed in 90, so yeah it's just a smidge too early for her to have been aware of those acts. (Also young Audrey didn't really seem like an industrial or early grunge fan?)

    Young Audrey only liked soundtrack jazz. She even got it placed in all the jukeboxes around town.

  13. Posted

    On 8/22/2017 at 9:30 PM, Mentalgongfu said:

    @Arianna

     

    Thinking about your question, it occurs to me there are several sets of coordinates, and we don't for sure know which are which. The apparent timeline jumps make things a little more cumbersome to dissect.

     

    The coordinates Diane sees are apparently those to Twin Peaks, since we also see her look them up. I had presumed that means they were not altered, although I don't believe we have any evidence to prove it, since Albert theoretically could still have altered the original photo to insert Twin Peaks coordinates for whatever unknown reason. I would lean toward not, but I wouldn't say for sure. I don't think we ever actually see Diane text those coordinates to anyone, but I could be forgetting. I haven't confirmed myself since I never wrote them down, but I'll assume the ones Jeffries gives are the same she sees.

     

    In any case, the coordinates on Ruth Davenport's arm are also the ones Brigg's was apparently looking for, and which Hastings and Ruth brought to him. And, assuming they weren't altered, are also the ones to Twin Peaks. But like the question of why Dark Coop would need them, we also have to ask why Briggs would need them, since he would also presumably know where the Glastonbury Grove portal is (see below).

     

    Then we have the coordinates Dark Coop was searching for and eventually got from Ray. I had thought those were the coordinates to The Dutchman's, but in hindsight, Dark Coop tells Ray he "knows where it is," which leads me to believe the numbers Ray gave him were for something else. That could be the Twin Peaks coordinates, or something else again.

     

    Then we have the location of the zone. SInce Hastings takes the FBI there himself before his head gets popped, maybe those coordinates don't matter. It is in South Dakota, and since things are presumably heading to Washington, maybe it's irrelevant. But it is another portal location, and apparently the place where Hastings entered the portal to meet Briggs

     

    We also have the location in the forest that Hawk, Andy and Truman venture to. Although the description Briggs gave them in his message was in relation to Jack Rabbit's Palace, rather than coordinates, it could be one of the locations referenced above or a separate place where such portals exist. It doesn't make sense that this is the same place Briggs was looking for from Hastings, since he clearly knows where it is well enough to direct others to it.

     

    Honestly, the more I think about it, the more confusing all of it is. Every time I feel I start to grasp the distinctions, I recall something else that raises a question. Perhaps there are multiple portals in the Twin Peaks area, not just Glastonbury Grove? That would at least answer part of it.

     

    I can't wait for the final Parts so we can begin further dissecting things and making sense, if any can be made, of all these intricate details. If nothing else, Lynch sure knows how to develop a sense of mystery and intrigue through the information he presents and that which he doesn't.

     

    There could be multiple sets of coordinates, but just to clarify what I was saying: the numbers that KettleJeffries gives BadCoop are literally the exact (North) coordinates that are written on Ruth's arm - at least in the photo that we see. Given all the speculation about communication between Diane/Jeffries/BadCoop, and speculation about whether or not Albert photoshopped the coordinates on Ruth's arm before he showed them to Diane, I think it stands to reason that there's a connection there. 

     

    The question re: these specific coordinates is - are they the real coordinates that Ruth/Bill got from Garland & were initially written on Ruth's arm? Did Jeffries get them from Diane (i.e., is that who Diane is texting) and then give them to BadCoop? Assuming Albert didn't photoshop the coordinates, either he got them from Diane via text or he independently got them from the same third party that Ruth & Bill did. If Albert DID photoshop them, then we have confirmation of Jeffries and Diane communicating. Next week can't come soon enough :) .

     

    Unrelated: If Judy is Garland that is absolutely going to make my year.

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    I haven't seen this mentioned (but maybe it is so obvious it goes without saying) but the JeffriesKettle seems to be giving BadCoop the coordinates of Twin Peaks - the same as on the murder victim's arm (which I suppose means that Albert didn't photoshop it before showing it to Diane). The weird thing is though if this is what BadCoop's been after, isn't it a little obvious? He seems to have all GoodCoop's memories so he should know where Twin Peaks/Glastonbury Grove is. 

     

    Incidentally, does this confirm that Diane is working for Jeffries and that she gave him those coordinates?

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    2 hours ago, Crunchnoisy said:

     

    So... in that old 1950s nuke movie we saw in Episode 8... maybe that other person, the boy walking with the girl, was Leland?  I don't remember enough to be sure.  And maybe he "encountered" him through his relationship with Child Sarah.  

     

    I'm down this rabbit hole and I don't think I'm coming out.   Sarah is the tragic "surrogate mother" of Bob.  And Laura is the even-more-tragic angel that is born into strife, as savior figures often are.

     

    By the end, BadCoop will encounter Sarah and call her "Mom" before their epic bossfight showdown.  Aw man, the gloves (and the faces) will come off for that fight!

     

    Nope. Leland literally describes how he first met BOB at his grandfather's house by Pearl Lakes (which is near Glastonbury Grove...) as a young child and how he let him inside himself. Without a major retcon this isn't possible.

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    1 hour ago, Crunchnoisy said:

     

     

    That's the ring finger.  I'd imagine, rotted black from the "owl ring" at some point.

     

    Will it be revealed that, though Leland killed Laura, it was really Sarah that put her husband to the task, even if unwillingly?  Bob haunted Sarah after Laura's death, so Bob got into Leland through his own wife... Sarah always knew her family was doomed...

     

    Backwards-Thing Sighting:  just before Sarah's face-off with the trucker, there's a shot of her looking over at him... and the smoke was curling back down into her cigarette.

     

    That'd be a pretty major retcon given that Leland says Bob first encountered him as a child

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    2 hours ago, Captain Fram said:
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    THIS IS WHAT WE DO IN THE FBI!!!!!

     

    Freakin' incredible. This episode was too good. A few notes:

    - From the moment that douche in the bar turned to reveal his "truck you" shirt, I knew he was a dead man. But holy shit Sarah Palmer o_O

    - Diane's Janey-E connection was wholly unexpected and adds another interesting wrinkle if she does turn out to be working for Bad Coop

    - I thought the big camera move towards the tree stump at Jack Rabbit's Palace was a bit out of place for Twin Peaks, until I saw this: tumblr_ounipju1qY1wn0y83o1_1280.jpg

     

    There's so much more to unpack. Sooooooo goooooooooooooooood.

    Maybe it's just because I am reading this on my telephone that I can't see, but what is the first picture?

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    3 hours ago, LostInTheMovies said:

     

    It was on the Sundance channel but aired in a really weird format where they split the 6 episodes into 7 instead. Oddly, both versions are available in the U.S. depending whether you watch on DVD or streaming Netflix. Near as I can determine the split worked like this: 

     

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    Weird. Does the Sundance channel have ads? That is the only reason I can think of to mangle the work of a filmmaker as respect as Jane Campion - needing to get the episode length down. Either way would highly recommend to anyone who needs an extra dose of drugs, teens, murder, detectives, and surreality.

  24. Posted

    So this is a bit off topic - apologies if it is against the rules - but regarding the discussion of women in this season of Twin Peaks, is anyone here watching Top of the Lake? There were a lot of comparisons to Twin Peaks back in 2013 when season 1 came out and season 2 (released in full today on BBC) has leaned into the weirdness even more. There's a lot of violence against women but it stars Elizabeth Moss (and season 2 has Gwendoline Christie!) as the police investigating so there are definitely better and more varied roles for women. Just thought it might be of interest (and am desperate to chat about it).

  25. Posted

    7 hours ago, Gailbraithe said:

     

    Even when Bobby and Mike were in jail with James and tried to intimidate him by barking like dogs?

     

    Even when Bobby was talking tough to Shelly about how he would protect her from Leo, even though he turned into a cowardly fink any time Leo showed up?

     

    Even when Bobby let Audrey push him around and turn him into her puppet, and made him dress up like a goofy confederate soldier?

     

    Face it, there were a lot of times when Bobby was the exact opposite of cool.  Bobby didn't become cool until he stopped trying to be cool.

    Calm down, they were just playing on the (obviously nonsensical) 'James has always been cool' line from earlier this season.