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Well I got really excited by this and I went through all of the scenes. I can't see any sort of pattern. I believe I have just wasted 30 minutes of my life! + = Direct shot of sign - = Puddle 1 + chromatics (lyrics mention stranger in a dream. James is cool scene.) 3 – folk country thing 4 + 3 keyboard ladies 5 – Dark Blues (Richard Horne assaults a woman) 6 + Lady plays electric guitar 7 + Guy Sweeps to organ blues (Jaques talks about whores) 8 ? The NIN (introduction from MC) 9 – DJ/Keyboard Broads same clothes as before (itchy armpit lady talks to her friend about flipping burgers) 10 + Spanish lady from Mulholland Drive 11 no bar (Dougie eats pie to piano man in restaurant) 12 + chromatics same cloths (guy talks about almost getting hit by car, and a bunch of names are dropped) 13 + James (sings his cool song while what’s her name cries) 14 + Terrible lady sings stupid song about Wild Wild West (two girls have conversation about Billy) 15 A + Sharp Dressed Man (James’ friend punches dudes) B + Terrible Obsidian Song (girl gets put on floor and crawls) 16 + Eddie Vedder/Audrey’s Dance (guy smashes bottle/Audrey “wakes up”) Please excuse my retarded descriptions I was trying to find a pattern but I don't see it.

Yeah he appeared for like two seconds in the red room in the first episode I think. Didn't really need to be there, but I guess it was nice to at least see him.

I'm sad at the lack of Ray Wise . He was probably the best part of the original run, next to Dale of course. But, he's dead, and even as a lodge spirit, I can't think of much he could do in the story. His whole death scene in the original felt like closure, and to dig him up takes away from it.

Oh shit you're right! Well, this is Twin Peaks. The notion of time/timezones running backwards isn't all that far fetched a notion! Especially for lodge entities! I don't think that is it though. I still think we are being misdirected and this is another hint.

Perhaps the message took 5 minutes because Mr. C was out in the boonies, roaming and not near any cell towers? I’ve been thinking about this for a couple episodes now, and I’m sure if there are holes in this theory that I’m not seeing, somebody can correct me. But it seems to me that Mr. C is the real Coop. He’s the darker side of Coop sure, but ultimately it may turn out that he has been acting in the interest of the good guys all along. His motives seem to be opposed to Bob/Mother, even if his methods are a bit evil. What if it turned out that his ultimate goal was to destroy the evil lodge entities? Perhaps Coop is so good deep down, that even his dark side is capable of acting altruistically and for the greater good. Think about it, when he was first possessed by Bob and unleashed onto the world, he acted more like the animalistic id that is Bob, but as time went on he seems to have been able to subdue him. And he even gains Bob’s super strength lodge powers which he also gets to harness. I haven’t gone back to check, but hasn’t every single person he has killed been a “bad guy”? Besides the hit on Dougie (which is more of a self-preservation thing than an act of pure malice), every character that we know he has killed or ordered to be killed has been murderers themselves. Or am I wrong about that? I haven’t really thought this one through all that much. Also, killing bad guys still makes you a bad guy. But I thought it was interesting anyways. The entire time that Coop has been attached to the Bob entity, it hasn’t had the opportunity to do what Bob normally does. Wreak havoc, rape, murder. It seems to me that Mr. C has sort of imprisoned Bob for a good 25 years, taking him totally out of commission. Or perhaps Bob doesn’t work that way. Can he have multiple hosts? The whole scene where Mr. C is like “Good, you’re still with me" comes to mind. Anyways, sorry for the long post. I just wanted to see what some of you might have to say about this. I guess we’ll find out soon enough. Or not.

Well that's not a very nice thing to say. It's just a little slow.

Best line of the episode: "Next stop, Wendy's" The contrast between the casual, nonchalant way that Hutch just brutally shoots the guy down and the heartbreaking kid finding his father was just so hilariously unusual.

The Giant and the arm were both there in The Lodge when Coop first arrives. The Giant gives coop coffee and then sits next to the Arm and they both say hallelujah to each other.

That's more of a iconography kind of thing. The orb wasn't literally an image of her face (just as the Black Lodge probably isn't ACTUALLY a lounge room with red curtains), it was her essence. For the audience to understand, it's the perfect image to represent Laura. Same with BOB's orb. It's more a matter of conveying things in a cinematic way than a literal interpretation of events. The orbs are their essence, and the only way for the audience to understand what is going on is to see their faces.

Hahaha!! Love this.

For me FWWM was borderline unwatchable in parts (Especially the Bowie/Philip Jeffries scene), and on the whole it seems a bit disjointed. Almost like Lynch just kind of threw it together or something (there may have been outside pressures acting on some of the decisions, especially cutting it down for time. I'm not aware of the background behind it all) I really don't know what Lynch was thinking with that Jeffries scene but the Q2 edit makes it play out a lot better, although is it like 4 hours long with all of those scenes, which doesn't particularly bother me too much. The Q2 edit, while it's not perfect, just flows a lot better and makes a lot more sense to me, like important story bits were put back in. Plus just individual scenes work a lot better. I think there's a bit of extra stuff with Chester Desmond that was put back in that makes that makes it a much better watch. Each movie FWWM and The Missing Pieces feel sort of incomplete as separate things, but Q2's edit made it all sort of watchable. I also really enjoyed the Twin Peaks cut. Kind of streamlines the whole Laura Palmer case. I still enjoy watching the show proper, but I recently watched his edit of the show for the sake of brevity to sort of refresh all that stuff without having to invest 20+ hours.

This seems likely. There's Mike for instance, another Lodge being who very well may have the same situation going on. There must be hundreds of those eggs. EDIT: There must be an entire town's worth of Lodge creatures on this Earth that we don't know about! I assume everyone in that town who heard the broadcast is inhabited by one of those moth toads.

If you watch FWWM (one of the deleted scenes I believe) there's this moment where she and Bobby are sort of arguing, she's being secretive about seeing James and Bobby is like "Well, maybe next time you need cocaine, maybe I won't be there", she completely turns on the manipulation and the charm and starts buttering him up and he walks away feeling like a million bucks again. It's so manipulative and gross. I think that illustrates the power she had over people, particularly people who are romantically interested in her. Obviously I agree with you, Bobby's actions are his own, and he's responsible for himself, but moments like that are what I consider to be her "dark" evil side. This is a perfect example of the two Laura's at odds with each other. Evil Laura was perfectly OK with those creeps putting what ever drug was in her drink and possibly getting her date raped. But something about seeing Donna wearing her shirt triggered something and woke her back up to her good side. She didn't want Donna to be like her, and I think that reminded her. Had that not happened, Laura might have just let whatever happened, happen to her. I think that's what people mean when they say she had a dark side. It's not like she was pure evil or anything but she was very capable of doing harm to others, but the good in her was still present enough to stop it. She was manipulative to both James and Bobby, but part of her was also trying to push them out of her life to protect them from not only finding out the truth about her, but to keep them from harm. Harm that she herself might have caused.

You know, that's actually pretty interesting. I'm more inclined to believe something like that. BOB did seem to have this desire to possess Laura. He wasn't trying to destroy her, he was trying to BE her. He only killed her when it was clear he couldn't. It makes me think that she is more powerful than necessarily "good".

Sure, but it was just how the actress and Lynch played it, like she was being puppetted or influence to do things against her nature. Like it was something she was fighting, and losing against. It's not that she was particularly evil, but that she was good but that good was being turned or corrupted. At least that's what I got out of it. Who knows!

To answer that, I think more than anything it was her attitude and how manipulative she could be. Of curse in FWWM is was played like she had opposing forces pulling her two directions. Like the maniplative, evil part was Bob taking over, and her good side was just her nature trying to fight it.

I really think that Coop needs to come back (and soon!) for this problem to be remedied. The story is about Coop, and we're half way through, and we really haven't seen Coop yet! I mean, a little bit in the beginning, but yeah..

You know, I can possibly understand that attitude,I just don't think it true in the case of GoT, and certainly not in Twin Peaks. My main thing is I just don't get the outrage. There are plenty of shows, including shows that I like that occasionally have bouts of bad writing. GoT (especially the latter seasons) included. In the case of GoT though, I don't think that's what was happening. They were giving Sansa Jeyne Pool's story line from the books (because they didn't know what else to do with her. Her story line could have been so great if the writers on that show would just do a little bit better.) It was a case of two things that just didn't go together, and the writers didn't know what they were doing. Sansa was supposed to be on the up, being more empowered and what not, and Jeyne Pool was the ultimate victim. Anyways, now I'm talking about GoT. Sorry to derail. Twin Peaks has always been way better at portraying these kinds of things well, especially the return. I think so anyways. I'm with the hosts of this show though, that this episode, while I enjoyed it, has me slightly worried that things are being boiled down to Good vs. Evil. We'll see where it goes though.

Oh my God! You're right! I knew it looked familiar! Also, the sort of art deco stuff from the Giant's house reminded me a lot of Dune as well.

I gottcha'. I think I pretty much feel the same way. It's a bit pointless to speculate on things like that. Every time I have thought that I might have the answers, Lynch has gone and subverted everything almost immediately. Having to wait another two weeks is going to be tough. Even then we might not get any answers right away or ever. This is definitely a patience taxing show. But that is what I think most of us signed on for. My main thing was that it seems there are a lot of people who tend to shy away from rape/sexual assault in particular as if it should be off limits as a plot device, and I'm not really sure I understand why. (I don't know if you remember the whole Game of Thrones controversy a few years back, but that was the first time I noticed this sentiment being spouted in a widespread way).

Do you mind if I ask you why you feel that way? Just curious. I've heard a similar sentiment expressed by others including by the hosts of the Idle Thumbs Twin Peaks Rewatch, and I'm not sure I understand. I mean, I definitely understand the desire to not see bad things happen to beloved characters. But I also recognize that the show is inherently about that. Maddy being murdered being a prime example. But at the same time, that episode and particularly that scene was one of my favorite parts of season 2. That whole sequence with her and Leland and those weird spotlight shots of BOB. As horrifying as that was, and how much I was like "No! Not Maddy TOO!" That whole thing really sticks in my head as one of the most disturbing and yet captivating parts of that season. I think of an Evil Cooper running around doing terrible unspeakable things (especially as the Doppleganger of Cooper, one of the most kind-hearted and likeable, gentle people on the show) as such a punch to the gut. Audrey, who was in love with Coop must feel such a betrayal if she knows, not to mention the pure rotten nature of Richard if he is in fact her son. As terrible as it is, it's pure Twin Peaks horribleness. It doesn't seem too out of place in a universe where Laura Palmer's own father was possessed and made to do terrible things to his own daughter at the hands of BOB. BOB is pure evil, and doing that to Audrey and Diane (both characters who probably thought of Coop as perfect and flawless in every way) is similar to a girl who finds out her own father was raping her. It's like Evil Coop know Good Coop so well that he knows the exact and perfect way to twist the knife and ruin his reputation forever. The fact that he specifically picked those two people to victimize says a lot about his evil, and also how well he must know the real Coop. Besides Annie, Coop would probably feel the most protective about those two women in particular. Anyways, that turned out longer than I thought, but I look forward to your response! Cheers!