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No, it's ok! It's perfectly on topic. I dunno, man. People don't choose to be offended. It's not a learned reaction or anything to do with politeness or manners. When I get offended by a sexist joke, it's because it's someone flaunting their privilege at me, pointing out my lack thereof, and it feels like I'm being belittled. It's an aggression. Perhaps you could provide some examples of jokes that other people find offensive and you don't? Also please read the thing I linked and tell me what you think.

The three posts above me are great and you guys are awesome. This, I think, was already posted earlier, but I think merits repetition -- this is specifically about rape jokes, but applies to most "ironic" sexism in public- Please keep that in mind, as well as the fact that what may come off as an obvious joke to you may actually have been said in earnest by someone before, and the person seeing your joke may have been on the receiving end of a sincere version of it. This person would have no way of knowing whether you're serious or not, if s/he doesn't know you really well. For example, "go back to Mexico if you can't take a compliment" may seem too over-the-top hilarious for anyone to actually mean something like that, but the guy who said it to me was serious (and loud, and scary).

Haha, not mine unfortunately. Here's , which is about calling someone out on racist actions. You can easily substitute the word "racist" for "sexist" and use accordingly. Following his advice on this may help keep this thread squeaky clean and relatively anger-free.

That guy is tops blooby. :tup:

I'm talking about the topic, not the thread. I worded it awkwardly.

Wait, what? What divisive argument are we having right now? Also how is deleting a thread where people like Yufster and Subbes are posting awesome informative things better than just not participating in a conversation? Is anyone being outright attacked or insulted? Because if someone is feeling that way, I invite them to come forward and see if we can all civilly address it. I think we can probably do it while keeping tempers down. I don't understand your objection, the topic is not by nature hostile, it just gets that way when people come in it to yell about how feminism is stupid and then refuse to get educated. Which hopefully won't happen anymore. And surely seeing the word "Feminism" pop up in New Content list doesn't offend you?

You know what, I don't want this thread to disappear. It has occasional flareups of people posting stuff that contributes nothing, as well as occasional derails and outright hostile or unintentionally sexist posts, but it also contains a lot of exploration and explanation of feminist theory, destruction of harmful preconceptions, news, and other good things. My post earlier regarding my wishes for this thread to die was entirely a reaction to the feeling of unpleasantness caused by Arguing On The Internet, but I think we can all be civilized and reasonable. If you don't want to post here, you don't have to post here. Nobody's making you and you can very easily navigate around this thread without touching it. Also, please don't just voice your personal feelings about a thing and imply that everyone else's experiences regarding that thing are not going to change them. That's not contributing to the discussion. If you're open to listening to and internalizing other points of view, especially those of minorities that are directly affected by these things in a way that you are not, then cool, but otherwise you're just being contrary. If you wanna come here and say NO THAT IS NOT SO please at least explain your point and listen to other points of view. You might be wrong or we might be wrong and surely whoever is wrong wants to be corrected, right? I know I would. I want to learn. Also please stop talking about that Christmas song, it seriously is not important. PS I'm not talking about any specific incidents here, except for that song, and the calls for thread-death.

wow, how does half-hobgoblin and half-orc society even function in any way

It's not having an opinion GONE MAD!!!!, it's not a song about rape; it is a song that reflects an element of rape culture, which is that oblique references to reducing a woman's ability to resist advances are considered funny or harmless. It's not such a stretch to say that. Let us end this derail. My dad likes that show. He would always watch it when it came on while we were having dinner, and it always made me uncomfortable but thought surely my dad knew better than I, a kid, because he was my hero. Shit like that being normalized made me not realize a lot of things that were wrong with the world until many years later. He still likes it.

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I'm super late to the game but I played through Botanicula and got all but two of the creature cards. I've been really enjoying listening to the soundtrack since. I love games like that where you're encouraged to explore and figure things out on your own, with no handholding, no dialogue, no hints, just a lot of organic exploration and immersion in an artwork. It also made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. :3

Again, pretty sure what we're all objecting to here is Ron Rosenberg and everything he said, and the attitudes he represents and is perpetuating. The game can still be good.

I invite you all to imagine a world in which Bruce Wayne and Indiana Jones are nearly raped and people are like "aww poor bb I will protect you"

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Man, me too. Why are we even posting in it?

Yeah I think we're all on the same page on that?

What assumptions? Obviously if there is an attempted rape and you fail at getting out of it, logically one would think that means that you get successfully raped. The article never says you watch it happen. But anyway, the main problems everyone is having is the way that Ron Rosenberg talked about it, saying that you don't relate to Lara but instead you protect her, implying that nobody really relates to women characters in video games, and that women in dangerous situations, even strong badass women like Lara "I Shoot Dinosaurs" Croft, need to be protected. This takes away her agency entirely. If this were a survival horror game about a new character then sure. It wouldn't be an original premise at all, and making rape a character development point is misguided and a tired trope, but to take Lara Croft, who is already an established self-sufficient, strong woman, and literally say "we're sort of building her up and just when she gets confident, we break her down again" is really fucked up.

Yeah, probably. Sorry. I meant it as somewhat humorous, but your comment just seemed kind of dismissive and unhelpful/unnecessary. How do you know they won't tell you anything you haven't heard before? Furthermore, why should that matter, considering the fact that sexism is still overwhelmingly rampant in the gaming community and a lot of that stems from people just not being informed or having wrongheaded ideas?

Oh god, yes, that one scarred me forever. They made us watch that movie in high school. Also Clockwork Orange. BREAKING NEWS they are finally wising up to the fact that Ron Rosenberg Needs To Shut Up: http://kotaku.com/5918193/tomb-raider-creators-are-no-longer-referring-to-games-attempted-rape-scene-as-an-attempted-rape-scene

Well everyone the topic's closed, Rodi's heard it all before.

Oh good it's been deconstructed and addressed so we don't have to: http://www.themarysu...croft-misogyny/ Well, it makes it more meaningful to white suburban males. I've always found it interesting how Deliverance is sort of feared among my male friends as a scarring movie, while movies where a woman is raped don't seem to leave as lasting an impression. Same goes for Pulp Fiction and Hard Candy, which has a .

Actually if a dude was "subjected to an attempted rape" I think a lot of eyebrows would be raised, especially if that vulnerability is fetishized in the very next sentence.

There should be a support group for "there was an animal dying" :C

Every single quote from Ron Rosenberg in this article is objectionable as hell. I think the game still has a little bit of a chance of not being unendingly insulting, but for the love of fuck somebody tell that guy to SHUT UP. What exactly are you trying to do here?

Oh wow I never answered this, I'm sorry Some of them have wires in structurally important parts like the legs, but mostly they are just solid wool throughout. Thank you and BigJKO and ThunderPeel