Sean

tegan - it's called a pescatarian unless you're eating whales and stuff

It was Jaaaaaake why does everyone think we are the saaaaaaame....

I think it's a private one run by our friend David! Sorry :/

Now you're talkin my language.

Phrasing

I think Black on Black could happen but I wouldn't hold your breath on a bowler shirt...

He was talking about Ian Bogost, which should clear things right up.

I sustain myself on the tiny moments where I hear Jake quietly take something back after sitting with it. It's like finding a little treat on the trail of life.

I don't think it was?? Maybe I'm wrong.

For D, a joke I wish I told on the podcast. It is my favorite joke, bar none. What do you call it when you open a soda for a friend in outer space? An astro-fizz-assist.

This is perfect.

AND it was poorly written to boot! Buy a shirt out of pity.

I'm getting pretty tired of people conflating "opposing viewpoints," with "taking a stand against sexism and harassment and actual illegal-fucking-activity." One look at my twitter @ replies will elucidate the difference between "hey person, I think you're off base in when it comes to your opinion on sexism in games," and "hey person, stop telling my friend to kill herself."

In terms of shirt suppliers, it's something I spend a lot of my free time on because I don't really have or maintain regular person hobbies. We started with and may return to American Apparel in that the quality is reliable and there are the lesser of the evils, I've found. The fact of the matter is that we are talking about a ubiquitous soft good that, no matter what, is somewhere in the world being made by a slave for free. In an ideal world I wouldn't have to make the choice between sexually explicit, exploitative marketing and slavery. If I have to make the choice, I think I have to not choose slavery. The other thing that's really difficult in sourcing t-shirts is available quantity. The latest Wizard t-shirt is on Alternative Apparel, which is more expensive for us than AA (which is already pricey and we won't change the price of a T until we're actually LOSING money on each one sold), made in America and has a relatively wholesome ad campaign. My friend Paige and her boyfriend were actually models for them for a while via their band and said they were decent people. The issue with Alternative Apparel is that their stock is almost always zero and we got incredibly lucky sourcing the midnight navy shirts for the Wizard in the quantities we needed (although they don't make anything over 2XL) and even then we had to compromise on the color (because we wanted something more purple but not ACTUALLY grape-koolaid purple). So between human rights, feminist morals, quantity and sizing (something I left out but other than American, which goes to 3XL, I think, you have to go to the 3rd world on cotton that was DEFINITELY obtained by someone in shitty working conditions, for anything over 2X) and COLORS it's actually a hard problem. FURTHERMORE, we want them to fit well, take screen printing ink well and, if you've ordered one from us, be tagless. PS: we pay a guy in SF SEVENTY FIVE CENTS A SHIRT to de-tag them because AA and Alternative won't sell us shirts w/o tags). For a break down of our shirts/sources there is: Gold Foil Wizard from Kickstarter: American Apparel Tri-Blend The Original (both KS and current stock): American Apparel 50/50 Idle Vice: American Apparel Organic 100% Cotton The Wizard: Alternative Apparel basic t We're looking into a brand called Next Level for the next round of Campo Shirts but I'm having a hard time figuring out where they are made, which makes me uneasy. We'll see how they turn out. I'm probably going to just have to go LA fashion mart/week sometime in the future and do a deep dive on our options but right now we don't have an ideal shirt source, so if for some reason you or someone you know is hyper knowledgeable about this, I'd appreciate it! OH! Anything over 2X isn't sourced by us, and instead by the screen-printer (Babylon Burning in SF). I'm usually so nuts that by the time I hear we can't get our 5-10 larger units I say "Fuck it, just find something that's close in color, I don't care where it's made or by who," which always leaves me feeling not great. There you go!

I gotta go.

Just wanted to say that this really the sweetest thread ever. Thanks everyone being so good to each other. Also: Congrats Ringo A+++ Also: Danielle makes the three of us look like goblins.

i still felt bad; he was/is nice -- we talked at devs & bevs for a while.

"Likewise, developers should be allowed to make the games they want without worry of censorship from outside forces."

I'm on an airplane so this is going to be briefer than it should be. Sexual assault is about power. It is completely possible for a man to be sexually assaulted and abused, of course, because specific power structures are dynamic. What I was speaking to is endemic and historical power structures that have existed for hundreds of years. Women have been raped since the beginning of time. That is a fact and it has no bearing on the fact that A rape can technically happen to anyone. I could be raped. BUT because of the way history has gone, I, a white American male never ever have to think about it. I never have to have that particular horror creep over me and trigger all of the emotional responses that come with it unless, somehow, it is an imminent threat. Now imagine that every time you find yourself walking by yourself at night your brain fires off that warning. Or on a bad first date. Or at a weird party. Not because you did anything or because of anything SPECIFIC TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL LIFE but because of your entire gender history. No matter how hard I try, I'm a man. I can be afraid of things and yes I can be raped. But day to day I have no idea what being any woman, let alone someone actually threatened, is like. History would have to rewrite itself for that to be true. This is confirmed by the fact that the only thing you could write to me that would make me feel as equally threatened as that twitter post I shared from Anita would be to threaten to do something like that to a woman in my family.

Imagine what would transpire if Anita or Danielle or anyone in their position wore a mask.

I really hope that guy boy comes back. PS: "some flak" is not https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504718160902492160/photo/1 This episode came out 24 hours ago. I have not been shy with my opinion in replies and tweets before and certainly not today. I have zero threats against me. None. Not one.

Popped into the conversation for a few points: one, to echo Doug, both on his ban policy and to add that fiery rhetoric -- and I'm including those who more or less agree with the things on the cast, needs to be kept in check because it's a spring board to really worthless conversation. Secondly, my opinion of Red Dead did not change -- Anita's video was a reminder that, in addition to all of Anita's excellent points in her video, the homogenous and pervasive and shear tonnage of the *same* violence is really gross and boring. Anita's point is that the violence in these games IS either totally contextless or designer window dressing to get the player to do a thing. Think about that for a second and it's pretty gross. Three, you can't compare violence against women in games to violence against women in other media because context matters and 99% of the execution of this trope in games is conceived of and implemented thoughtlessly, artlessly and meaninglessly. Instances of worthless and manipulative violence against women in film *is* attacked the same way except it can be handled on a case by case basis because it is, unlike games, not perpetrated in the majority of its content. @yarbles Four, Aliens Colonial Marines is sitting at a 40 on Metacritic. If you have an issue with PREVIEW culture --especially at the major publisher level-- in games "journalism" you absolutely should but it is not to be conflated with the accusations of tit-for-tat corruption being leveled at Indie Devs who, I in almost all cases, make very little money every to begin with. This is exactly what Chris was saying in terms of the type of "journalism" you should actually be worried about.

We never ended up reading this book on the Idle Book Club, so here's the original prediscussion thread moved to a more appropriate home in the general books forum. -Chris

Welcome all new forum posters!

We got Palm Sunday smoke orb and that was it. Also my uncle is a priest at the Pro Cathedral in Dublin so I've got inside line to all the smoke orbs I could ever want.