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9 minutes ago, James said:When watching the episode I'd assumed 2:53 was just some kind of magical time that things happen on any given day, but it seems pretty plausible that Twin Peaks of episode 14 is concurrent with that stuff from the early season.
I don't think that seems likely though. If we accept the following chain of events:
Naido's fall preceeds Cooper's arrival in Las Vegas
Cooper's arrival in Las Vegas and DoppelCoop's car crash are roughly synchronous
DoppelCoop's car crash preceeds the arrival of the FBI in Buckhorn
Given that Cole is in Buckhorn when he takes Truman's call, and that (from what I remember of the chronology of the episode) Truman calls Cole before they find Naido, the finding of Naido and the Cooper-swapping don't seem likely to have happened on the same day. This is Twin Peaks though, so I won't say it's impossible
But that reminds me - weren't there two dates on Major Briggs' message? Will they go back to Jack Rabbit's palace?
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10 hours ago, Mr. Jackpots said:- it seemed to me that Sarah is able to control this powerful spirit inside of her. And it´s interesting that the killing of that trucker was a response to his harassment. Because, in an ethical sense, you want this guy to be punished in some way for this kind of behaviour (which does not mean that I would excuse to bite the shit out of others people´s necks). I do not believe that Sarah will use this power to murder innocents. And because of that I don´t think that she is this "experiment" thing from the box in N.Y.
Now that you mention it, I think it's worth mentioning that Truck You is the one who escalates things at every stage (up until the last one). He starts with propositions, then admonishments, then slurs, and then threats. Sarah gives him several chances to back down, but he keeps pushing. I'm not convinced that she's inhabited by anything good (did anyone else wonder if the 'something in the kitchen' might be the grocery boy trying to escape?) but it doesn't seem to be flagrantly sadistic.
10 hours ago, Mr. Jackpots said:- Someone mentioned the strange way of putting Naido into a prison cell and I totally agree...WTH? So very yrev absurd! I´m afraid that bad things will happen down there with Chad, Naido and the bleeding guy (maybe Billy). Did I see it right that his blood dissolved the floor of the prison cell?
I'm also concerned that putting someone in a cell is Andy's idea of keeping them safe. We know that the Woodsmen a) bump people off, and b ) have no trouble getting in/out of gaol cells, head or no head. Of course, if the purple scene does take place chronologically later, then it seems likely Naido will be okay. Maybe that's why she's so insistent on keeping Cooper away from the electrical outlet? She has seen him as Dougie!Coop and wants him to try another way. Or maybe the fall from space ripped the stitches out and reopened the wounds. Who knows?
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I was rewatching episode 14, and I couldn't remember if Naido had those open wounds on her eye-area when we first saw her. Also, I couldn't remember how the banging in the purple scene came to be labelled as 'mother', so I went back to watch episode 3.
...And, wow.
Pre-Dougie Cooper is so Cooper-like! He asks questions, he notices things, he reacts! I appreciate it more for having had it taken away.
After Cooper tests out the electrical wall/box thing by letting it zap his head a bit, he does exhibit some very Dougie!Coop-like facial expressions. It does seem pretty convincing that the mode of travel scrambled his mind.
Something that I had forgotten is that Cooper and Dougie do not trade places. Dougie is jerked into the black lodge (because of the owl cave ring?) with a bang loud enough for Jade to hear, and Cooper arrives via electrical outlet. DoppelCoop (it is funny to see him actually frightened) does see Dougie seated in the black lodge before he (DoppelCoop) ralphs.
It's Ronette/"American Girl" says "You'd better hurry, my mother's coming" What could it mean that the Bob-barfing 'experiment' is American Girl's mother? Was mother after Naido instead of (or as well as) Cooper?
In that scene, Naido's face wounds appeared to be stitched. Does episode 14 come before episode 3 in Naido's personal timeline?
I got a lot out of rewatching just these couple of scenes. I'm looking forward to the actual rewatch podcast for season 3.
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3 minutes ago, marfy said:Al Strobel is credited Phillip Gerard, and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss an appearance by him in this episode. Unless, of course, we didn't know it was him.
He beckoned Cooper-as-Dougie into the cafe to buy the cherry pie. Presumably he knew about/planted The Dream?
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Oh Shelly. Shelly how could you. I am so disappointed.
I don't know what the timeline is, but we know that events occurred - roughly in this order:
- Shelly marries Leo
- Leo turns out to be abusive
- Shelly starts cheating with Bobby
- Shelly longer married to Leo (presumably murdered by Windom Earl
- Shelly marries Bobby
- They have Becky
- Bobby gets his life together, contributes to community etc.
- Shelly and Bobby break up/separate/divorce
We can't - at this stage - know if their relationship ended before or after Bobby reformed, but it strongly suggests that she's only interested in guys who are scumbags. And then she sits there and lectures her daughter about being involved with a man of unsavoury character while in the very same scene she runs out to snog someone who is a) at least two rungs higher up the drug ladder, and b ) has almost certainly murdered more people and c) is just skeezy ew. Eeewww no.
Ugh.
But then the honking woman? While she's going on about how 'we have to get home', I'm thinking 'is she hallucinating someone in the car with her?' BUT NO there is an actual zombie in the car. Well done Bobby for not just shooting it on the spot. Even so, the honking woman's disjointed rambling still doesn't make sense. Why is she trying to get home for dinner and not to the hospital? Why is she encouraging anyone to visit (ie: the uncle) when they might contract whatever the sickness is? Why is she honking instead of just pulling out and driving around the blockage? Why does she say 'argh argh argh' and allow herself to be vomited on instead of getting the hell out of the car? That whole thing was strange and brilliant and none of it made any sense.
I loved this episode.
But I'm still super bummed about Shelly.
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Overall, I was glad that there was so much more music than previously. After Episode 8 / Gotta Light, this episode was so normal and comfortable that I felt a bit let down. I could have used more surrealism to ease me back into online furniture shopping, etc.
Embarrassingly obvious questions and so on underneath the cut.
Spoiler(Missed on first viewing) Tim Roth('s character) says that The Farm belongs to some farmers and they are 'sleeping out back'. A couple of scenes later cleaned-up DoppelCoop and Chantal walk past two corpses.
Hutch looks at the sabotaged gun and says 'Well fuck that. I'll get you some real nice puppies and biscuits'. Are these yet more euphemisms for 'friend' and 'gun'?
When the Fuscos are interviewing Dougie's boss (is it odd that they call him 'Bushnell' instead of 'Mr Mullins'?), they basically dismiss him and Mullins stands there for a moment making a fist. I read that as 'these clowns are doing bugger all and I'd love to lay them out'. Maybe that's reinforced by him then going to Cooper and saying (paraphrased) 'we'll investigate on our own tomorrow'.
Then the exposition fairy then delivers the news that Dougie did not exist before 1997 - so I guess it took DoppelCoop six years to get around to 'creating' him. The explanation that Dougie had 'been in a car accident' explains why no one is surprised that he's acting like a lobotomy patient, but what would have happened if Cooper had travelled through the electrical grid with his faculties intact?
It's encouraging that Cooper's blank affect seems to be a result of internal...something rather that internal nothing. Like when it seems that he's staring into space, he's actually watching the flag and listening to the anthem/patriotic song. It says that Cooper is in there somewhere rather than being a case of the lights are on but nobody's home.
Ike the Spike leaves a message for JT - is JT the office dude who regrets getting involved with dangerous people? The one who has to 'get it done' before DoppelCoop calls again?
It's adorable that - after viewing Briggs' body - Cole and Albert go five steps away for a 'private' conversation AT HIGH VOLUME.
Jerry Horne, still (lost?) in the forest, presumably still tripping balls...that his foot spoke to him and said that it was not his foot reminded me of Mike and his/the Arm. I mean, what if it is not Jerry's foot? What would that even mean? Very possibly reading in too much into that though.
If Chad ever does a good or nice thing, I will feel very conflicted. He's such a consistent jerk that I feel like I'm being set up. Still, I did enjoy that Truman/Hawk/Bobby kick Chad out and then immediately leave the conference room themselves.
The first page of Major Briggs' message includes an image of the Mother symbol, and the time listed is 2:53 same as the car accident / Coop-Dougie exchange, but aside from that I don't know what to make of it.
Zebras? Penguins? Ideas, anyone? Blonde girl asks "How can you fuck up serving burgers?" and I think 'maybe by infecting customers with your hideous skin condition'? Pretty sure that scratching your rash while engaging in food preparation violates HACCP or whatever the local food hygiene ordinances are.
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6 hours ago, actually its aerith said:Did anyone catch what shape the gold aura the Giant was projecting was taking? It seemed to be a shape but I wasn't able to catch it.
I was already thinking 'Is that a golden, glowing uterus?' before an egg came out of it.
As regards the last few episodes, it feels like there was an editing miscommunication (I'm assuming that there wasn't; and it's just the part of my brain that alphabetises CDs that is upset). Specifically, it feels things have been edited into episodes of around the same length +/- 5 minutes, with a roadhouse band at the end, in the understanding that someone will have to go back and even out the episode lengths...but that never happened and someone just arbitrarily cut it up into 58 minute sections. It feels like the Coopleganger & Ray followed by NIN belongs at the end of the previous episode and that this episode could have been 100% crazypants visual imagery.
I'm glad that it wasn't, because contrast and juxtaposition are useful, but I still can't shake the feeling that it was originally intended to be divided differently.
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2 hours ago, pyide said:I thought that was just the sunlight reflecting off the windows, but on second look.. wtf?
Could still be reflections, the camera is moving while the plane is turning and banking, there are a lot of factors which could explain the bizarre pattern it appears to have. I don't know. Brain expects reflections to be more uniform, and not hitting both sides of something but not the middle, like some of the windows on the plane here. Can't make sense of it.Posted in error - should be making notes elsewhere first. Sorry!
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5 hours ago, Gregalor said:Can we call him Finger-gun Sorcerer?
Balthazar Getty's character is listed in the credits as 'Red' (personally, I like 'Finger-gun Sorcerer' better). I spent that entire scene trying to work out where I had seen him before...an earlier episode? An entirely different show? At first I thought he was Ray (remember Ray, in prison for carrying guns over state lines? I wonder where that's going), but they just have similar cheek bones.
Nope, turns out he was on screen for ten seconds at the end of episode two. In the Bang Bang Bar he makes a finger gun at Shelley, who smiles as though that's adorable. I hope they're not an item. That would make him Shelley's third drug running/dealing partner, and the domestic violence overtones are creepy. Maybe he's just her marksmanship instructor or something? /wishful thinking
Twin Peaks Rewatch 50: The Return, Part 15
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It didn't read that way to me. (Admittedly, I saw Nadine striding in with the shovel and thought she was going to brain him with it.) I saw her cheerfulness as being rooted in catharsis. We can't control other people or what they feel, and accepting that it's not your responsibility can feel like a weight lifted from your shoulders. I think someone (last episode?) commented that Jacoby had inadvertently helped someone, and she looked to me like a Nadine who had finally worked out her issues. She is feeling released from her burdens, and she wants Ed to feel that freedom too. (Side note: I adore her coat embroidered with pine needles and pinecones.)
Likewise, I don't really buy into Norma-as-pining-other-woman, because she also married and while it's not clear if she was actually dating franchise-wanker, she seemed to at least entertain the possibility. Ed clearly has a moment when he believes she no longer loves him (the 'cyanide pill'), so presumably they aren't having an affair but were just friends (as Ed says to Bobby, "There's nothing going on here").
You're right though, it is wrong for people to stay stuck in an unhappy situation. People should grow and change, becoming better versions of themselves. Continually re-committing themselves to the same mistakes, however, rings true for what people are more likely to do.
YMMV, as ever.