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I'm reaching for weird examples because I like trope outliers. I think you might be spot on with your point about Edward.

I agree and stated as much in my opening line. I guess I'm just thinking along the same lines as Singlespace a little. At least in public a semi-understanding hand to the deluded-but-not-evil folks MIGHT be able to get some attention. Not gonna tear Anita down for her perspective though. She's the actual target of the abuse and I wouldn't expect her to have any sympathy for those that unwittingly support it, and the time didn't really permit for a nuanced discussion. In other news, I actually decided to go back and read Nathan Grayson's Game_Jam article, just so I have data to back me up. He mentions Zoe 6 times. Once in a list of participants, once in a breakdown of the teams, once at the beginning of the section on her dispute with JonTron, and three times in quotes from the original Jared Rosen article. There are two mentions of Depression Quest, both in the phrase "Depression Quest creator Zoe Quinn" in the first two mentions of her name. For comparison there are 5 mentions of Jon who also shared the spotlight in one section, four mentions of Robin Arnott, and 5 mentions of Matti Leshem. Somebody on reddit said "It was the Game Jam piece that presents the real ethical conflict. He plugged her 'Rebel Jam' thing in a pretty serious way." and yet there are 0 mentions of Rebel Jam. Just thought I'd provide the data in case anybody else needs it. Edit: Sorry, 7 mentions, missed one by her last name. She also has the closing quote talking about how she thinks it SHOULD have been done. A pretty fitting cap for the article though.

I liked the Colbert segment, and I understand that there's limited time to talk, but I was a little uncomfortable with her saying it's ALL about harassing women. Of course I'm aware that that's how it started and that's the bulk of the effect it's had so far, but there are clearly a large number of people who seem to believe the ethics tagline. They're wrong of course. The conspiracy webs and misunderstanding of basic journalistic practice are laughable on a good day, but they do exist. I'm even starting to think the abusive trolls are losing interest, at least as far as I can see. Don't get me wrong, I think the harassment is worth taking up the bulk of any segment on the subject, but if we're going to mock them we should at least mock what they're trying to present as their platform.

I love how the guy in Gormongous' screencap asks for "one equalist for every feminist". Just goes to show, again, a fundamental misunderstanding of what feminism is.

Hahaha, sometimes I wish we lived in the world the right wing reactionaries imagine. I'd have a lot more money and power and I could have people silenced for annoying me. Sounds pretty sweet.

It's gotten so much media saturation at this point I'm expecting one of my parents to ask me what this "Gamergate" thing is about.

They actually kind of contradict themselves in the dialogue though. The human points out the Asari's bellybutton saying it's "something Humans and Asari have" and the Salarian seems to confirm seeing it. The Turian says "My knees hurt just watching that, and mine are supposed to bend that way!" implying he sees her with different knee structure.

The blue lizard skin might be unavoidable, maybe they just change shape? This crazy explanation raises a lot of physical questions, like if two tailors of different species make outfits for an Asari will they look different to a third party observer, and how would the Asari fit into either one? If they are capable of changing shape why do they still appear female to straight female or gay male observers? And also this seems like a pretty basic part of Asari physiology to go completely unreported in the codex. Considering how long they've been around various other species you'd think somebody would have made note of it before.

SNL did a skin in '89 about a planet of women with enormous breasts. A woman played by Dolly Parton is banished to earth for having comically small breasts in comparison. A joking "explanation" for the Dolly Parton's actual breast size?

I'm not familiar with any of those universes so I don't know what's played for laughs and what's legit.

It may be rooted in ignorance but it's still an arbitrary bit of world building used to handwave a sexy character trait. It's not "just how it is" in the way *sigh* Jessica Rabbit just happens to be attractive. It's a mechanic of the fictional universe that exists solely to support a sexy physical trait. Also, back on the subject of the Asari, I remember some incidental dialogue that implies they appear differently to each species as to always look like an attractive female. I think this strengthens their candidacy. They're hot women because they're evolved to be a hot woman to anyone who looks at them regardless of species.

Just gonna copy some paragraphs from various Chainmail Bikini examples that I think might apply here. - Lampshaded in John Ringo's There Will Be Dragons where Bast the Wood Elf, asked why she runs around in a Fur Bikini, asks "Do you know how many men I've killed who froze looking at my tits?" The character in a later novel wears a skin-tight suit of "carbon nanotube", effectively impenetrable, and effectively transparent. - Azure Bonds subverted this somewhat. At times the heroine wore a suit of chain mail that exposed her cleavage. However when an enemy went to attack it they found out that it was enchanted chain mail that projected a force field over the 'exposed' area. Not too surprising, as this piece was provided by a Vain Sorceress who just could not resist flaunting the body that resembled her own so much. - The River of Dancing Gods trilogy by Jack L. Chalker literally has a magically-enforced law that "weather and climate permitting, all beautiful young women must be scantily clad". - Nerdcore: The Core Wars explains that the Geneva Conventions "made it a war crime to injure a female anthropoid in the area of the cleavage, stomach, or thighs. Thereby making it unnecessary for women to cover those areas in armor."

I suppose the werewolves make sense. Doesn't explain why they don't take off their pants though. I think the sparkling might still apply, just cause it doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than to be sexy and has the flimsy explanation of "that's how vampires work". Also, there's probably a lot of overlap between this trope and the Rule of Sexy trope. This one is a lot more pointed and interesting IMO but it might be a good place to hunt for examples. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfSexy

If we're gonna talk about male examples I think we have to look primarily to media designed for female consumption. This maybe a weak example because I'm not too familiar with the source material, but what about the sparkling vampires in Twilight? Out of universe they only sparkle because it's a sexy image of a shirtless guy covered in glitter, but they seem to give some in universe justification. I could also ask why the werewolves are shirtless so often. Maybe somebody who's read these could give more insight. Another (female) example that might be a little different is the Confessors in the Sword of Truth series. My only exposure was that, honestly, pretty lame TV show from a while back, but they give a convoluted in universe explanation for their chastity. Obviously this is in contrast to all the hypersexualization examples but it's pretty undeniable that the show at least used her chastity to give her an unattainable quality and make her more attractive.

Enjoying things in spite of problematic elements is something that needs to be taught in schools. I spent a long time in my youth thinking criticism meant condemnation. Either something was all good or all bad. I now see how weirdly wrong that was. Media literacy in general should be taught.

Here's a bookmarklet that will try to translate hulk-speak into plain old English: http://simonganz.com/2013/04/the-dehulkifier/ The part where he talks about the Sopranos was surprisingly powerful.

Guys I got into a twitter fight. I could have been sound asleep for hours but instead I willingly bashed my head against a brick wall. This is ruining me.

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One important thing to note is that most developers by and large agree that GG is ridiculous. I'm sure there are some small studios (like the guys making Hatred) who already hated social justice but all the AAA companies know what's what. I was in a small studio last week and I overheard a developer jokingly say that everyone using the hashtag should be forcibly sterilized. Regardless of what they clamber for, they're not gonna get the games they want.

the word anime is just a loan word of course. In Japan it refers to all animation, but they do (as far as I know) consider western animation to be a different category.

That isn't to say all Japanese animation is instantly anime, nor does a work NEED to be produced in Japan to qualify. Generally speaking though that's what defines the medium.

You can find works in any genre or medium that blur the lines, it doesn't devalue those categories. There's a culturally accepted platonic ideal of what anime is and it's somewhere in the area of your Dragon Balls and Love Hinas. (Loves Hina?) Considering we're discussing this in a forum topic all about Anime I don't know how you deny the usefulness, or at least common understanding, of the distinction. There's a flavour to Japanese produced works and having vocabulary to define them is only a good thing.

There's a stylistic difference (and I'm not just talking about aesthetics, though that's part of it) between anime and most western animated series though. I love both but they exhibit different priorities. French comics are pretty similar to other western comics so a distinction isn't really necessary, but British Comedy is a distinct genre as is French Film.

High School Boys is more or less a sketch comedy show. Honestly I don't remember many segments about them trying to get girls but it's been a while. Also, while we're recommending stylistically unique anime. FLCL! How the hell has nobody here said FLCL??? It's absolutely amazing and only 6 episodes long. Tatami Galaxy is great and so is Monogatari but I don't know if I'd recommend the latter to somebody not as familiar with the medium. It takes some patience to see why their use of sexual imagery is more than just fanservice.

Glad to see Jontron has spoken out. He's not exactly a source for social justice but I do like his videos and I'm glad he's put his foot down.