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I mean, it's not like Dan sees Wal-Mart workers getting beaten. He doesn't see any of the bad shit you guys are talking about. In fact he specifically tries not to see it, that's his entire point. I know how "human beings process and face moral challenges" and it sounds like Dan does too, because he looks away from stuff that he knows would make him hate Wal-Mart, just like you look away from stuff that would make you hate eating meat. What's the big deal?

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1 hour ago, TychoCelchuuu said:

For what it's worth, Zeusthecat, in the veganism thread, was one of the few people who said my posts didn't come across as evil and assholeish and so on. Since you're someone who has been accused of being an asshole in this thread by Zeusthecat, who I'm pretty sure doesn't just label everyone an asshole for no reason (because he gave me a pass!) it might help reflecting on the sorts of things that can cause someone to see the other person as an asshole. So for instance could it be that you think I brought negative energy not because I in fact did, but rather because you disagree with me? Could Zeusthecat think you brought negative energy to this thread not because you in fact did, but rather because he disagrees with you?

 

Oh man! I missed this. I love your logic, I want to frame it above my bed. Zeus didn't call you an asshole in the Veganism thread when everyone else did. The sensible conclusion is, of course, not that you were an asshole and Zeus didn't care, but that Zeus is the one true discerner of assholes, and I'm an asshole, just for saying that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism whether or not you eat meat! It's beautiful, frankly. "What bad energy? Maybe you're the bad energy. Now let me obliquely imply that you're an asshole a few times for disagreeing with me!"

 

26 minutes ago, TychoCelchuuu said:

I mean, it's not like Dan sees Wal-Mart workers getting beaten. He doesn't see any of the bad shit you guys are talking about. In fact he specifically tries not to see it, that's his entire point. I know how "human beings process and face moral challenges" and it sounds like Dan does too, because he looks away from stuff that he knows would make him hate Wal-Mart, just like you look away from stuff that would make you hate eating meat. What's the big deal?

 

Aaanyway, back to the boring stuff. If you think I'm trying not to see the ethical problems of eating meat, then you're wrong. You're just assuming that I don't see the ethical problems in eating meat because I still eat meat, but that is an unwarranted assumption. I am aware of the ethical problems in all of the food I consume, meat and not meat, and I try to balance it out. I don't pretend that cutting meat out of my diet is some totem that saves all animal, human, and plant lives from suffering from the consequences of industrialized late-stage capitalism, ethical problems that I've repeatedly brought up and that you've ignored in favor of banging the "veganism" drum some more.

 

And, more to the point, I know about those ethical problems, thanks both to you and to the many other vegetarians and vegans in my life who aren't quite as supercilious and belligerent as you. Dan literally asked not to be told about the ethical problems with Walmart. If you find these issues with eating meat to be important enough to bring up out of nowhere in a random conversation, surely that means that you believe that knowledge is a key component of ethical living and, accordingly, my knowledge is better than Dan's ignorance, ethically speaking, if the given is that we both don't modify our behavior (which isn't true, I've come to eating meat only once or twice a week, which is incidentally probably an order of magnitude less than Dan does). If we agree on that count, then you also agree that Dan refusing to hear about Walmart's ethical problems is more worrisome than someone knowing about the ethical problems with eating meat and choosing not to take the same actions as you, and if we disagree, then there's no point in engaging me further because my knowledge on the issue is immaterial if I don't take the same actions as you.

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21 minutes ago, Gormongous said:

 

Oh man! I missed this. I love your logic, I want to frame it above my bed. Zeus didn't call you an asshole in the Veganism thread when everyone else did. The sensible conclusion is, of course, not that you were an asshole and Zeus didn't care, but that Zeus is the one true discerner of assholes, and I'm an asshole, just for saying that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism whether or not you eat meat! It's beautiful, frankly. "What bad energy? Maybe you're the bad energy. Now let me obliquely imply that you're an asshole a few times for disagreeing with me!"

My point was that nobody is an asshole, Zeus was wrong when he called you out in this thread just like other people were wrong when they called me out in the other thread, and we should all get along.

 

21 minutes ago, Gormongous said:

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I'm not sure you're giving Dan enough credit. I haven't listened to the podcast or anything, but it seems to me that if Dan is saying "don't tell me about that stuff, please" it's because he already knows that it's bad enough to make him feel bad about shopping at Wal-Mart. So it's not like Dan's literally unaware that Wal-Mart does bad stuff, and that he just needs to be informed about the bad stuff and then he'll be at your level. Rather, it seems clear Dan knows Wal-Mart is up to bad stuff as much as you know that meat producers and so on are up to bad stuff. He'd prefer not to hear the specifics, just like I'm sure you'd prefer not to hear the specifics about whatever you last ate, or bought, or whatever. I don't see how Dan is different from you, unless you always say "yes, please, tell me more, I want to know more," in which case fine but that seems like kind of an unreasonable thing to ask of people.

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Another big difference is that Dan explicitly says he thinks "capitalism is great". I think you might be giving him much more of a pass than he deserves.

 

(there were three or four instances of Old-Dan in this Beastcast episode alone, The Walmart Thing was the most egregious but definitely not the only one)

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13 hours ago, TychoCelchuuu said:

I'm not sure you're giving Dan enough credit. I haven't listened to the podcast or anything, but it seems to me that if Dan is saying "don't tell me about that stuff, please" it's because he already knows that it's bad enough to make him feel bad about shopping at Wal-Mart. So it's not like Dan's literally unaware that Wal-Mart does bad stuff, and that he just needs to be informed about the bad stuff and then he'll be at your level. Rather, it seems clear Dan knows Wal-Mart is up to bad stuff as much as you know that meat producers and so on are up to bad stuff. He'd prefer not to hear the specifics, just like I'm sure you'd prefer not to hear the specifics about whatever you last ate, or bought, or whatever.

 

I'm not trying to wade into the rest of this argument, but since I did listen to the podcast I'll clarify this point. It actually is like Dan's literally unaware that Wal-Mart does bad stuff - or at least, that's how it's presented in the podcast. He says Wal-Mart is great and he won't hear a bad word said about them, and when the others say that actually Wal-Mart is very problematic and it would take only a cursory search to learn some of the ways in which that's true, he says he doesn't want to know in case it would tarnish his enjoyment of the brand.

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15 hours ago, Nappi said:

The new Kingdom Hearts series seems like it could be cool.

 

GET OUT

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Sorry.. I was just trying to get a good Walt Disney discussion going.

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2 hours ago, ratamero said:

Another big difference is that Dan explicitly says he thinks "capitalism is great". I think you might be giving him much more of a pass than he deserves.

 

Dan this week: Capitalism is great.

Dan last week: I dig popcorn buckets out of the garbage because movie snacks cost too much.

 

I will say that I greatly appreciated Vinny pointing out in that conversation that some people shop at Wal-Mart because they don't have other options (probably because Wal-Mart drove them out) and that some go because that's the only place they can afford.

 

Regarding the Kingdom Hearts thing: I really took to Ben quickly when he came on board. He's got a goofy laugh and his voice isn't sonorous, but I love that he's willing to go along with a bit and seems like he's having fun. I wish Brad was driving the game because he's definitely the foil and it would let Ben go off. Maybe if they added Jeff and he looked for various ways to say 'This game is bad'?

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2 hours ago, Nappi said:

Sorry.. I was just trying to get a good Walt Disney discussion going.

 

Hey, let's talk about good things! It was worth going through 45 minutes of that if only to hear Brad say "D-Donald Duck is a WARLOCK". 

 

Also, what do you think the gimmick of this playthrough will be? They've mentioned that this is a "TOTALLY NORMAL PLAYTHROUGH" multiple times, so there's got to be a catch. I'm thinking they might have Jeff and Jason instead of Ben and Brad for the next episode and keep alternating, so that no one ever knows exactly what is going on.

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Good question. I did bunch of other stuff while the video was playing so I did not pay attention to the "totally normal" thing. I would have preferred to have more than two people commenting on the game. Maybe you are right about the alternating structure, who knows.

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Loved the Dream Daddy QL. Abby and Ben are a really good quick look team.

 

2 hours ago, ratamero said:

...so that no one ever knows exactly what is going on.

 

My impression was always that that's how Kingdom Hearts games are normally...

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Fuck sorry, I was googling and accidentally posted it my bad.

 

This is the thing I only ever think about when people say the words "Kingdom Hearts"

 

 

 

(Ryan is in that clip, as a head's up)

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2 hours ago, Badfinger said:

how to lock a thread

 

simple: invoke the words of lockdowning

 

 

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It's like the best and emptiest breakfast radio show at the same time and I love it. Ben and Abby are so good. I swear to god, every single "hell no!" cracked me up again.

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6 hours ago, Badfinger said:

how to lock a thread

wrong thread

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18 hours ago, Patrick R said:

https://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/department-of-new-business-episode-0/1600-2046/

 

Ben and Abby's enthusiastic yet very awkward friendship is one of my favorite recent Giant Bomb developments and I think the podcasts they do are a bizarre combination of completely awful and completely compelling.

 

Oh man, excited to check that out today!

 

I love the new hires, they seem to have been fitting in super well. I love the Vinny Abby duo, it makes for high intensity podcasting hah. 

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On 31/07/2017 at 11:00 AM, ratamero said:

Also, what do you think the gimmick of this playthrough will be? They've mentioned that this is a "TOTALLY NORMAL PLAYTHROUGH" multiple times, so there's got to be a catch. I'm thinking they might have Jeff and Jason instead of Ben and Brad for the next episode and keep alternating, so that no one ever knows exactly what is going on.

I definitely got the impression that Brad would be replaced next time (they made several conspicuous references to him being there the following week, suggesting he would very much not be), but now that you mention it I think maybe you're right and they'll swap out both people. 

 

Om an unrelated note, I, also, am a big fan of the new hires.

 

Also, although it's gotten more heated than I'm comfortable with, I do appreciate the Dan discussion earlier in the thread. I come from a "broadly like the guy but get irritated by some of his bullshit and frustrated at his occasional refusal to distinguish what stuff actually matters" camp, but the discussion about the mental health stuff has been illuminating, partly because I haven't read the book, and partly because I have only limited personal experience in that area. That said, someone close to me is currently having a bit of a relapse of mental health and addiction issues, and I'm  not sure whether or not they're actually taking their medication, so setting a careless example in that regard (be it explicit advice or not) hits closer to home than it might have otherwise. 

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On 31/07/2017 at 6:59 PM, Badfinger said:

how to lock a thread

 

In my innocence I honestly thought you were secretly googling how to get a thread locked and then apologised for exposing your plans to the rest of the Idle Thumbs group.

 

Was it originally, something a bit more porn-y?

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On 7/31/2017 at 4:44 PM, Patrick R said:

https://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/department-of-new-business-episode-0/1600-2046/

 

Ben and Abby's enthusiastic yet very awkward friendship is one of my favorite recent Giant Bomb developments and I think the podcasts they do are a bizarre combination of completely awful and completely compelling.

 

I know Abby has a background in improv, I wonder if Ben has as well. Their work together feels very improv theatre inspired.

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I assumed he developed his comedy chops in that Podburglars podcast, though I've not listened to more than a couple of minutes of it. Nick Robinson is on that thing too, and they seem to have fairly similar cultivated-awkwardness comic sensibilities. 

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2 hours ago, James said:

I assumed he developed his comedy chops in that Podburglars podcast, though I've not listened to more than a couple of minutes of it. Nick Robinson is on that thing too, and they seem to have fairly similar cultivated-awkwardness comic sensibilities. 

The Business cast they recorded is VERY podburglars in tone. Podburglars is pretty funny but also hard to recommend to other people as it's kind of cringey and also weird. I really like it though.

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5 hours ago, twmac said:

 

In my innocence I honestly thought you were secretly googling how to get a thread locked and then apologised for exposing your plans to the rest of the Idle Thumbs group.

 

Was it originally, something a bit more porn-y?

 Porn-y? I have literally no idea what you're talking about or how you could pull what I said into that.

 

It wasn't a joke though, this thread should probably be locked.

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