SuperBiasedMan Posted October 27, 2014 And then, then I was going for ice cream. And there was this girl n she came over when I had my cone n stuff. I hadn't started it but she took it from me and screamed "Social justice!" and so I was just crying but everyone gave her sympathy instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smart Jason Posted October 27, 2014 Has anyone bothered to freeze frame on that wall of text at the end of Measured Response? I can't tell whether or not the author is taking some lofty, superior to both sides position by calling Feminist Frequency super basic etc. and it's giving me pause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonCole Posted October 27, 2014 I didn't really get a superior to both sides feel, more a pithy sendoff that Femfreq is (self-admittedly) basic criticism and if you disagree with it by calling Anita a poor scholar there's a bit of silly disconnect there. Did seem a little incongruous to the object of the video, but I don't have a lot of experience with Measured Response so maybe his videos are his only/primary method of communication and it's not unusual for him to use a wall of text in a video to express a thought he was having. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Leego Posted October 27, 2014 I did guffaw in response to the Amazing Visual Gag in his Tropes vs Turtles thinghttp://youtu.be/R_vMSpNvUxE but maybe that's just my unfortunate level Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twig Posted October 27, 2014 Has anyone bothered to freeze frame on that wall of text at the end of Measured Response? I can't tell whether or not the author is taking some lofty, superior to both sides position by calling Feminist Frequency super basic etc. and it's giving me pause. I'm with Jon on this. I didn't feel that way. I think it's a pretty apt description. What Anita's doing is not some in-depth, hyper-detailed criticism with any deep meaning. It's very surface-level and simple and basic. That is not a bad thing! It just sort of emphasizes that it's not a complex issue, to my mind. (It's also why I, personally, find her videos rather boring. Important! But boring. That doesn't mean bad. It just means they're not for me.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brkl Posted October 27, 2014 I dunno, the video posted by Justin shows he doesn't exactly get what Sarkeesian's videos are about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smart Jason Posted October 27, 2014 OK, yeah, that video basically confirms exactly what I was concerned about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Leego Posted October 27, 2014 Perhaps, though that one is over a year old. Obviously, I haven't changed my opinion on anything during that period, because I am Right In All Things, but he might have. Plus it's possible he was sending up aspects of both Anita's vids and her opposition. I guess. (Maybe take a look at some less hot-topic stuff on his channel to get more of a feel?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twmac Posted October 27, 2014 Considering this tweet by the same guy, I'm going to guess that it isn't a joke: We are Saiyans, the more you beat us, the stronger we become #GamerGate But the comic clearly defines it as a rat. It is like he didn't even read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Problem Machine Posted October 27, 2014 These are all big winners. Especially the last one, tell me you're not the first to make that joke, PM. I'm inspired to try my own! Q: How many GamerGaters does it take to change a light bulb? A: Just one, but he'll probably use a sock puppet to support himself while he does it. Excellent, I'd love to kick off a trend Q: How many GamerGaters does it take to change a light bulb? A: What about all the light bulbs YOUR side is changing!? "Knock knock" "Who's there?" "#GamerGate" "#GamerGate who?""#GamerGate who?""#GamerGate who?""#GamerGate who?""#GamerGate who?""#GamerG Q: How many GamerGaters does it take to change a light bulb? A: Actually it's a myth that all GamerGaters hate light bulbs Q: How many GamerGaters does it take to change a light bulb? A: Three: One to change it, one to say it changed itself, and one to say it's not about the light bulb Q: How many GamerGaters does it take to change a light bulb? A: Ad hominem! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Synnah Posted October 27, 2014 Perhaps, though that one is over a year old. Obviously, I haven't changed my opinion on anything during that period, because I am Right In All Things, but he might have. I think this is actually the case. In a response to a comment on his latest video by a guy completely missing the point of Anita's videos, he said: No offense, but I think you might be purposefully getting confused with Sarkeesian's statements just because you want an excuse not to really think about what is being said here. I used to do that too, so I know what it looks like. I'd recommend basically any book by Judith Butler, who implies that almost all gender roles are an 'act' that a person consciously 'plays'. Sarkeesian is obviously aware of Butler's ideas because she directly references it in the title of her master's thesis, which I read because I'm a crazy person who likes thinking about things. Butler hasn't received nearly as many death threats in the twenty-five years she's been writing. Finally, the point isn't to find a solution - a good deal of criticism deals simply with an awareness of the way things are functioning. A greater critical or experiencial landscape means you can bring more to an experience of a game and get more out of it, without simply absorbing its ideological scope in the form of 'entertainment' and so on. You can't fix ideology. It is spontaneous. So yeah, I think he didn't get it in the past, did some reading and thought about it some more, and now he does. I did initially think the text at the end of the Measured Response video was a little muddled about its intent, but I'm inclined to agree with Jon and Twig's reading of it, that he's just saying her arguments are pretty basic stuff, so it shouldn't be so hard to parse them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bjorn Posted October 27, 2014 Q: How many gamergaters does it take to change a lightbulb? A: We have people who light candles as well! #notyourillumination Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Synnah Posted October 27, 2014 Q: Why did the GamerGater cross the road? A: To escape the cultural Marxism that was infesting the other side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hermie Posted October 27, 2014 Here's a fascinating look on some data from three days of the hashtag on twitter. Oh, and... Q: why was the GamerGater standing in a field? A: Because he has no idea what a strawman argument actually is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brkl Posted October 27, 2014 I think this is actually the case. In a response to a comment on his latest video by a guy completely missing the point of Anita's videos, he said: So yeah, I think he didn't get it in the past, did some reading and thought about it some more, and now he does. I did initially think the text at the end of the Measured Response video was a little muddled about its intent, but I'm inclined to agree with Jon and Twig's reading of it, that he's just saying her arguments are pretty basic stuff, so it shouldn't be so hard to parse them. Huh, that's interesting. I had no idea of the timeline. I gave him the benefit of the doubt which evaporated while watching the second video, but apparently I was too rash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christopher Posted October 27, 2014 Total Biscuit denounced GamerGate harassment of women . . . that he is personally friends with. On the other hand, he is fine participating in streams with people who have literally millions of youtube hits spreading lies and conspiracies about Zoe Quinn's personal life. That's just a necessary evil for him to talk to the moderate majority . . . of fans of the creators who make conspiracy theory videos about Zoe Quinn. It's weird that he talks about harassers as an abstract outspoken minority, when the major ringleaders of harassment are literally the people he is streaming with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flynn Posted October 27, 2014 Film Crit Hulk on GamerGate: http://badassdigest.com/2014/10/27/film-crit-hulk-smash-on-despair-gamergate-and-quitting-the-hulk/ Don't be deterred by the HULK ALL CAPS thing, it's well worth a read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cyborg771 Posted October 27, 2014 Here's a bookmarklet that will try to translate hulk-speak into plain old English: http://simonganz.com/2013/04/the-dehulkifier/The part where he talks about the Sopranos was surprisingly powerful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sclpls Posted October 28, 2014 Total Biscuit denounced GamerGate harassment of women . . . that he is personally friends with. On the other hand, he is fine participating in streams with people who have literally millions of youtube hits spreading lies and conspiracies about Zoe Quinn's personal life. That's just a necessary evil for him to talk to the moderate majority . . . of fans of the creators who make conspiracy theory videos about Zoe Quinn. It's weird that he talks about harassers as an abstract outspoken minority, when the major ringleaders of harassment are literally the people he is streaming with. On one hand, it is nice that someone with a lot of influence is speaking out against harassment. On the other hand, it obviously sucks that it took someone he knows personally to speak up, and also it sucks that he didn't show the same sort of self-awareness before complaining about Anita and Leigh who I'm sure have had to listen to some nasty things said to them by angry TB fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merus Posted October 28, 2014 And also PressFartToContinue has been involved prettttty much since the start so it took him two months to notice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Synnah Posted October 28, 2014 Didn't he know about Fart's harassment of Dodger since the start? I remember reading about that at the same time as I read TB's first posts about GamerGate... Has it genuinely taken him two months to catch up to this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singlespace Posted October 28, 2014 Film Crit Hulk on GamerGate: http://badassdigest.com/2014/10/27/film-crit-hulk-smash-on-despair-gamergate-and-quitting-the-hulk/ Don't be deterred by the HULK ALL CAPS thing, it's well worth a read. The thing I really appreciate about the more recent pieces discussing Gamer's Gate like Hulk, Gerstmann, and Felicia Day, is that they actually recognize and respect that the people who are supporting the whole GamerGate mess, are in fact people. This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but I find it sad that most places have taken on an us versus them attitude including here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Problem Machine Posted October 28, 2014 I respect that they're people, but they're also people who are doing real harm to other human beings out of stupidity, gullibility, and stubbornness. This has gone on for long enough that there's no reason to be patient with these people any more. I respect their humanity, but the decisions they've made are hugely harmful and make me deeply sad and angry. I don't think it's necessary or desirable to hide that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singlespace Posted October 28, 2014 Is that why half of this page is made up of self congratulatory GamerGate jokes? You really think that kind of antagonistic bullshit is helping? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
