"Ethics and Journalistic Integrity"

[syntheticgerbil]

...have complete trust in the current legal situation since it's about as close to a fair and just system as we're ever going to get.

Yes, I think Zeus just said it best. It's the United States, corporate interest sucks on a level way beyond copyright.

Once challenged on any of the weird assumptions you rely on, you imply we're being so disrespectful for not agreeing with you and make disingenuous claims about how much time we've "forced" you to spend on this or how this is about us desperately wanting to talk to you. And then you leave and return a little bit later to make the same couple of declarations.

You and Problem Machine (less you) seem to be under the impression by twisting things I'm saying to extremes and acting like there's a logic to every aspect of our opposite opinions of the current system that you're somehow going to capture me in a "gotcha" moment and I will just start agreeing. And yeah, the article was definite goading, which I contest is aimed at me in some respects considering I spent like five pages blabbing in chunky paragraphs and fails to even be on topic of ethics in games journalism or Gamergate even less so than the first time around. It's pointless, it's all really pointless here. So exhausted

[Problem Machine]

You know, just because I make an argument you disagree with doesn't mean I'm trying to 'gotcha'. I am trying to sort out where we actually fucking disagree with each other and where we're getting so tangled in semantics, assumptions, and conflations that we're talking past each other. The only exception to this in any regard was my post asking for your stance on Sherlock etc, which I posted because that I was so fucking sick of having my every point interpreted as an attack that I might as well actually try to directly address what I see as the gaps in your argument rather than try to establish any common understanding -- since when I try to do that you react to it like I just spit in your soup. In fact, when I said this wasn't an appropriate place to have this conversation you interpreted that as a 'gotcha', and now you're saying the same damn thing.

[Merus]

I think I missed the part where this tedious argument is relevant to Gamergate.

[syntheticgerbil]

I don't know, it was a measly 30 fps.

[Twig]

I think I missed the part where this tedious argument is relevant to Gamergate.

It's the part where Gamergate is more tedious, so this tedious argument is more attractive.

[BusbyBerkeley]

Yeah, I like to check up on this thread for GG updates and bullshit. This copyright stuff is interesting discussion when people don't get all rude about it, but it has it's own thread I think? Anyway.

 

Apparently they're trying to label people as pedophiles now because these people are human trash. even though they are hosted on 8chan, aka 4chan but with more pedophiles and gamergate weirdos.

[Problem Machine]

Yeah what they're trying to do to srhbutts is pretty fucked up and I can't remember if it's been mentioned before in this thread. Based on chat logs (of dubious provenance) where she admits to being attracted to underage relatives (while still saying she'd never acted on it) and unsubstantiated rumors of her sharing scantily clothed (non-nude) photos of said minors, they've justified on ongoing harassment campaign claiming she is an active and dangerous pedophile. Even if these claims were true, and they're as shaky, unsubstantiated, and scurrilous as claims come, they still wouldn't justify this ongoing and dehumanizing harassment. Of course, any time someone tries to point this out GG points to it as evidence that feminists are hypocrites and they'll even defend pedophiles if they toe the sjw-line... all the while, as busby points out, they're throwing stones from the mother of all glass houses here.

[Twig]

The stuff with Sarah has been happening for a long time. Like almost since the beginning. And she refuses to back down, constantly screen-capping shitty GG things and antagonizing them, which just means they're never going to stop, too, so it's kind of a shitshow.

 

There are also people who disagree with her constant badgering of GG. I don't really have any thoughts on that, but I did stop following her (and a few others) on Twitter a while ago because I couldn't take the constant misery.

[Problem Machine]

They've been going after her generally for a long time, but I think these specific tactics and their ferocity are relatively recent

[Twig]

The pedophile angle is definitely not new, at least. ):

[Merus]

Well, sure, but I was thinking about bringing up the Gamergater arrested under terrorism charges. (The Gamergater identity was Moon Metropolis, because it's not clear.)

[Problem Machine]

Wow that is a creepy fuckin dude

[ewokskick]

 From the article:

The 20-year-old, who lived at home with his parents and was described as a recluse by neighbors

 

Not going to lie.  My confirmation bias is going strong on this one.

[MadJackalope]

well it would basically require dismantling capitalism so

Bingo. 

[Deadpan]

Fun things I've caught on Twitter:

 

Apparently the gator who got arrested was also Milo's "source" for the ridiculous claim that BLM activist Shaun King is actually secretly white. The poor baby is trying his darndest to backpedal and deny that fact and it's hilarious.

 

Also, it seems Mark Kern threw a hissy fit and quit GG when they turned out to not be shitty enough for his taste. Some in the movement criticized transphobic remarks he made about Sarah while parroting those ridiculous pedophilia accusations, so he spent some time shouting about how dare they come at him with this having an opinion garbage and how apparently GG and aGG are exactly the same now. And then after all that mock indignation about pedophilia, he started flooding his timeline with loli porn, which is... wow.

 

At this point, the movement is a litte bit like that waiting experiment from

. They've been waiting over a year for their scare tactics and terrorist garbage to somehow win them the hearts and minds of the people, and anybody who wants to leave the group now has to make their exit in the most pathetic and ridiculous way imaginable.

[itsamoose]

Gamergate has gotten some support from conservative sites like Breitbart (the conservative Huffington post basically) but the articles I come across there are more or less in the same vein as all their liberals are ruining the world type articles. It seems to me like gamergate has persisted long enough to where they have become a useful tool for anyone who wants to take a jab at progressives, and these pedophile accusations serve that narrative nicely. There is a tendency to cast the opposition not just as wrong, or even amoral but entirely anti-moral or evil.

[osmosisch]

Breitbart (the conservative Huffington post basically)

Wow, I didn't know the huffington post was so nasty and dishonest.

[Problem Machine]

So I guess Gita Jackson is quitting games journalism now, primarily because of harassment from anti-GG.

This culture is so fucked.

[Henroid]

Fun things I've caught on Twitter:

 

Apparently the gator who got arrested was also Milo's "source" for the ridiculous claim that BLM activist Shaun King is actually secretly white. The poor baby is trying his darndest to backpedal and deny that fact and it's hilarious.

 

Also, it seems Mark Kern threw a hissy fit and quit GG when they turned out to not be shitty enough for his taste. Some in the movement criticized transphobic remarks he made about Sarah while parroting those ridiculous pedophilia accusations, so he spent some time shouting about how dare they come at him with this having an opinion garbage and how apparently GG and aGG are exactly the same now. And then after all that mock indignation about pedophilia, he started flooding his timeline with loli porn, which is... wow.

 

At this point, the movement is a litte bit like that waiting experiment from

. They've been waiting over a year for their scare tactics and terrorist garbage to somehow win them the hearts and minds of the people, and anybody who wants to leave the group now has to make their exit in the most pathetic and ridiculous way imaginable.

Holy goddamn shit what.

 

That is the meltdown of all meltdowns.

[Mawd]

So I guess Gita Jackson is quitting games journalism now, primarily because of harassment from anti-GG.

This culture is so fucked.

 

Welp. Hope she finds her feet fast. She seemed really cool the one time I encountered her/h*work on a Justice Points episode.

[Apple Cider]

She's been wanting to get out of it for a while now, but this just is the straw that broke the camel's back. The kind of shit all four of us have been dealing with (Maddy, Soha, Gita and myself, Soha most in particular) is so fucking baffling. 

[Brett E]

Does anyone have a good link explaining the anti-GG thing? I'm not familiar with that group.

[Deadpan]

Holy goddamn shit what.

 

That is the meltdown of all meltdowns.

 

It's weird cause when he joined up with them it looked more like he was just some clownshoes-wearing clown who had no idea about anything, especially not how silly he sounded when trying to talk about real issues, but as time goes on we learn that he's actually been complete garbage the whole time.

 

He's also tweeted how people who mock him for getting that ridiculous truck last time he was allowed near a game in development don't understand how the truck was totally rad and he views that as one of his successes. So, that's just for reference for how out of touch with reality he is at this point.

[Problem Machine]

Does anyone have a good link explaining the anti-GG thing? I'm not familiar with that group.

It's a bit of a tricky one. Basically there are a bunch of people who are primarily known for butting heads with GG on Twitter: Whenever someone points out that this might not actually be a helpful thing to do, since prolonging this conflict just legitimizes it and gives GG more attention, they tend to get RT'd and swarmed by that person's followers. I don't follow a lot of the specifics, but it's definitely an indication of the phenomena that make GG a problem being way more widespread than many of us would like to think. I'm not sure what I could link to though, since I get a lot of this information from inference and from asides on the twitters.

[Brett E]

It's a bit of a tricky one. Basically there are a bunch of people who are primarily known for butting heads with GG on Twitter: Whenever someone points out that this might not actually be a helpful thing to do, since prolonging this conflict just legitimizes it and gives GG more attention, they tend to get RT'd and swarmed by that person's followers. I don't follow a lot of the specifics, but it's definitely an indication of the phenomena that make GG a problem being way more widespread than many of us would like to think. I'm not sure what I could link to though, since I get a lot of this information from inference and from asides on the twitters.

 

Ah ok, thanks for the summary.