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That kind of is a good logo for a board entitled Politically Incorrect because Nazism is certainly incorrect politics

 

and also they are actually Nazis

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I'm sure this has come up in the thread before but uh, that they're literally just using a swastika as one of their logos now is uh... yeah... okay.

That kind of is a good logo for a board entitled Politically Incorrect because Nazism is certainly incorrect politics

and also they are actually Nazis

Ironic Nazism is baffling because it is predicated on the existence of actual Nazis being impossibly absurd, so it's like this weird logic puzzle where ironic Nazis can't exist because their existence makes them not ironic.

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I forget if I've mentioned if this whole thing has gotten farcical already or not. Because it totally is.

 

Wasn't YTMND the site where shit just repeats over and over and that's the joke somehow?

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The joke for YTMNDs are the juxtaposition between music, an animated gif and maybe some text. Fairly simple tool but it was never exactly a hotbed for creativity.

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There were some pretty elaborate YTMND pages made back in the day. It was one huge weird incestuous insular culture, which means you would have a large handful of very popular basic YTMNDs (like the original "you're the man now dog!") and then a ton of things riffing on them. For instance, Bill Cosby talking about Pokemon on the Simpsons was something that got popular on the site, so a ton of YTMNDs would reference that bit. Probably the most elaborate one I ever saw was this one, which combines an animated gif which incorporates various Cosby and Pokemon things (and other stuff - I can't remember what Captain Crunch has to do with anything) with an elaborated edited version of John Williams' "The Asteroid Field" from the Empire Strikes Back, which has been turned into a partially a-capella version song with the Simpsons Bill Cosby singing all the parts.

So, I think that definitely represents quite a bit of creativity. Many of the more elaborate YTMNDs were this creative.

I'm still not on board with the idea that we should literally be Nazis though - I think their argument has a few holes in between "YTMD was neat" and "heil Hitler."

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Yeah it was basically just a platform for dumb jokes.

 

But it did give us Cat on a Keyboard in Space, which is still one of my favorite things on the internet, so I can't be too critical...

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The only YTMND I ever watched with regularity was the dude screaming about the loot off Princess Huhuran from World of Warcraft. 

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Wait, this Politically Incorrect thing is actually about Nazis? I saw the name and assumed they were just saying "We're politically incorrect! Look at us, using the swastika like you're not supposed to, aren't we edgy?" If they're actually associating with Nazis, then... wow.

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It's easy to forget that there are still plent of actual nazis in this day and age. They are 100% unironic racists who would fit right in with the main nazi camp in American History X.

 

Jeeez. Beyond just being terrible, that makes the 8chan ad downright baffling. "Join 8chan, we have Nazis!" What is going on in their minds that they think that is going to be a good marketing strategy?

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The same one where they host child porn and don't feel bad about it because free speech.

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I've been mulling over that for a bit because you have to either REALLY like free speech so much that you're okay with overlooking child porn or you just really like child porn or a little of both. The really weird part of this is that people still don't get that matters of the free speech thing do not stop any private individual from limiting you, so I am just guessing the latter for most people on 8chan.

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Gamergate, PEGIDA etc. are movements supporting the ludicrous idea that a culture's strength is born out of a rejection of the foreign instead of an embrace.

 

History has always proven otherwise.

 

I don't have more to say at the moment. : (

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It's a great marketing strategy for attracting more nazis.

 

I mean, Nazis are probably underserved as a demographic. If you ignore the reasons for that, a few swastikas here and there is probably not outside the realm of possibility, especially for a movement like #GamerGate that's hemorrhaging reasonable people left and right...

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The gamergate cult is, in its diverse PR, not overtly fascist. However, it slides into fascist territory quite easily – with its hilariously traditional male role models (e.g. reaxxion's "masculinity score" in game reviews), in its methods to slander and harrass the opposition, and of course especially in the proposed "winning conditions" regarding literal oppression and control of the press. Naturally, these ideals appeal to nazis and other supremacist isms, and we would find them on gamergate's side.

 

Nazis are painting gamergate as nazist just as misogynists are painting gamergate as misogynist. Gamergate is taking in what strengthens gamergate, because the mindless consumer movement is drunk with power, and not interested in ideology. No prominent gamergate figurehead raises the finger, because pointing at problematic parts of the cult means weakening the movement (gamergaters may never signal disaccord with anything gamergate). And as a result all these people are part of gamergate. Nazis included for mere want of power. 

 

For example, Auernheimer is a self proclaimed nazi, and he easily gets injected into gamergate culture by proven video game hater Milo Yiannopoulos:

 

GTA, which rewards players with in-game currency for having sex with prostitutes, then killing them, is already a bit disturbed. You can’t help but feel it’s a game for frustrated beta males who can’t kill or shag anything in real life, so get their kicks doing it on a computer screen. [...]

Personally, I don’t understand grown men wasting their lives playing computer games. It seems a bit sad to me. I mean, we’ve all been sucked in to a few rounds of Candy Crush, but if you want to shoot a gun, why not go to a rifle range? I suspect most people who play these games have never held a firearm in real life.

It really doesn't matter to them. They're just taking it in, all in, the male supremacists, the racists, the de facto corrupt journalists, the harrassers. No coherent ideology means that practically any ideology is welcome. That is gamergate's appeal, that's what makes gamergate strong.

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Wait, this Politically Incorrect thing is actually about Nazis? I saw the name and assumed they were just saying "We're politically incorrect! Look at us, using the swastika like you're not supposed to, aren't we edgy?" If they're actually associating with Nazis, then... wow.

 

/pol/ (Politically Incorrect) is ostensibly 4chan's political board, but is, in my experience, mostly white supremacists getting into pointless arguments. I can't imagine how much worse the faction that emigrated to 8chan is.

 

Also, if we're sharing our favourite YTMNDs, I don't think I've watched this since I was in high school: http://cosbybebop.ytmnd.com/

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/pol/ (Politically Incorrect) is ostensibly 4chan's political board, but is, in my experience, mostly white supremacists getting into pointless arguments. I can't imagine how much worse the faction that emigrated to 8chan is.

 

Also another example for how the intent of something doesn't have to line up with the realities of something, especially if you practice the kind of deregulation GG is so fond of. So an unmoderated forum for political discussion can, in practice, hardly become anything other than a racist clubhouse, since it's always the grossest people who will fill the power vaccuum created by a lack of oversight. By, in essence, farting up a storm until everybody else leaves.

 

Which is GG's vision for games as a whole too, I guess.

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There were some pretty elaborate YTMND pages made back in the day. It was one huge weird incestuous insular culture, which means you would have a large handful of very popular basic YTMNDs (like the original "you're the man now dog!") and then a ton of things riffing on them. For instance, Bill Cosby talking about Pokemon on the Simpsons was something that got popular on the site, so a ton of YTMNDs would reference that bit. Probably the most elaborate one I ever saw was this one, which combines an animated gif which incorporates various Cosby and Pokemon things (and other stuff - I can't remember what Captain Crunch has to do with anything) with an elaborated edited version of John Williams' "The Asteroid Field" from the Empire Strikes Back, which has been turned into a partially a-capella version song with the Simpsons Bill Cosby singing all the parts.

So, I think that definitely represents quite a bit of creativity. Many of the more elaborate YTMNDs were this creative.

I'm still not on board with the idea that we should literally be Nazis though - I think their argument has a few holes in between "YTMD was neat" and "heil Hitler."

 

Sure, there's something to be said for collage internet art and riffing on memes. You can view it as working well within the boundaries 'forced' upon you, or as somewhat homogenized creativity that's an ancestor of /r/AdviceAnimals. I guess I lean towards the former, but i still find an ad highlighting ytmnd as the peak/'teacher' of creativity pretty silly. 

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Always really fuckin' weird to hear people ask those questions in a real life situation. Also I'm not even sure if the guy really knew what it was he was parroting, there. English clearly wasn't his first language, and I sort of wonder if he just got roped into it without really understanding it, by reading a bunch of English-speaking fuckwads rant about ethics or whatever.

 

But then again he probably did, so whatever.

 

She had a really great response, so thumbs up.

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Eesh, yea, I can only imagine what Alexander must've been feeling in that moment when that question started to form. And how quickly the bottom falls out of said question as soon as it's put under any kind of scrutiny. 

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