"Ethics and Journalistic Integrity"

[eot]

I don't follow this much, because I'm never on twitter, but my favourite youtuber uploaded a video in which he spends a minute or two explaining that he doesn't see the point of GG. Apparently that was enough to outrage people, because this is such an important cause that you're not allowed to just have an opinion on it. If you feel the need to make an example of everyone who disagrees with you then maybe it's time to re-evaluate your priorities.

[BadHat]

Was that MrBtongue by any chance? I didn't know what the video was about going in, noticed the like/dislike ratio and went, "oh, he must have mentioned GG."

[tegan]

 

 

 

 

We've reached peak "ethics" here.

[Twig]

Haha what

Wait what

[Merus]

Milo's book about Gamergate is suddenly promising to be a much more interesting read than we thought.

[Bolegium]

Wow

What the fuck

At everything

[deleted user]

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[Brodie]

Wow

What the fuck

At everything

 

i don't...i just....wow....

seriously, how the fuck does someone turn a blind eye to this shit? how?

[Christopher]

If you think that twitter screencap was gross, it just gets worse. Have you seen /pol/ thread where the 8chan founder discusses what he should write about on a neo-nazi website? (Note for people who don't know how image boards work: When the 8chan founder put up a post asking what he should write about for neo-nazis, he made the decision to pair the OP of that thread with a parody picture of a lynching.)

 

Or have you seen his confirmation that it was really him from reddit?

[Bjorn]

If you think that twitter screencap was gross, it just gets worse. Have you seen /pol/ thread where the 8chan founder discusses what he should write about on a neo-nazi website? (Note for people who don't know how image boards work: When the 8chan founder put up a post asking what he should write about for neo-nazis, he made the decision to pair the OP of that thread with a parody picture of a lynching.)

 

Or have you seen his confirmation that it was really him from reddit?

 

So the three things that 8chan will be most known for are kiddie porn, gamergate and Nazis. Fine company indeed.

[Reyturner]

It's funny how a journo talking to other journo's on a mailing list or giving Zoe Quinn a dollar on Patreon means it's open season on their life and livelihood, but it is a logical fallacy to even raise your eyebrows at a GG thought leader writing content for literal nazis. 

[SuperBiasedMan]

Obviously because one is censorship of beliefs and the other is collusion and conspiracy to force subpar personal 'games' onto the masses of loyal gamers.

[Nachimir]

GG have really been sealing their reputation these past few weeks. I wonder if Milo is going to quietly not write a book about it now.

[Christopher]

I wonder if Milo is going to quietly not write a book about it now.

 

He works for Breitbart. He's definitely still going to write his book valorizing a thoroughly discredited right wing reactionary movement. 

[eot]

Was that MrBtongue by any chance? I didn't know what the video was about going in, noticed the like/dislike ratio and went, "oh, he must have mentioned GG."

A little late reply, but yes it was him

[Nachimir]

He works for Breitbart. He's definitely still going to write his book valorizing a thoroughly discredited right wing reactionary movement. 

 

Well then. Easy to host a lot of this material then get cards with the URL printed.

[tegan]

8chan and GG are organizing a campaign to harass transgender tumblr users in an attempt to drive them to suicide.

 

You know, for ethics in video game journalism!

[Undeadpool]

It's funny how a journo talking to other journo's on a mailing list or giving Zoe Quinn a dollar on Patreon means it's open season on their life and livelihood, but it is a logical fallacy to even raise your eyebrows at a GG thought leader writing content for literal nazis. 

Oh if you wanna see a total lack of cognitive dissonance, check out what ZodiacMF has to say on the topic (I could link, but...I mean if people want it that bad, I'll link).

 

Now he's obviously a polarizing figure, but generally he's managed to do a decent, if inferior, Seanbaby impression in being acerbic, obscene, low-brow and yet somehow make salient, often hilarious, points. At this point he's either taking the schtick intentionally too far, or believing his own hype.

[Ben X]

(I could link, but...I mean if people want it that bad, I'll link).

 

I don't want it bad but I'd be interested to see it and your post is rendered a little pointless without it!

 

I always thought of ZMF as a self-aware gimmick-poster on the AVClub who disappeared years ago, and nothing more. Then I listened to that one-off podcast he did with them recently about the Sons Of Anarchy finale, and it was just embarrassing - a meandering, charmless drunk with no interesting or coherent thoughts on the finale or the show in general. I guess he's also a shouty 'Twitter personality' now?

[James]

Oh if you wanna see a total lack of cognitive dissonance, check out what ZodiacMF has to say on the topic

It's not an uncommon thing, but it's very frustrating to see someone decry the establishment and p0litical c0rrectness in the same breath. I mean, I get it, p0litical c0rrectness is boring and gets in the way of your offensive fun, but its whole point is to lessen power imbalances in society. Don't rebel against PC; rebel against fucked up social institutions.

EDIT: circumvented word filter for the sake of clarity.

[BadHat]

I got curious and found it for myself (I think?) - https://storify.com/1Novid/zodiac-mf-gets-it-why-dont-yall

 

I don't really have anything to say about this because I have no fucking idea what his point is, except that his idea of "rebellion" is more well-worn and overplayed than the Bill Hicks vinyls he probably has somewhere under his pile of faded Nirvana tees and studded belts. "FUCK HAPPENED TO NEVER TRUST ANYONE OVER 30?" Haha how does anyone take this seriously.

 

He was left off of Giant Bomb's GOTY lists for some weird reason. He took it well.

 

[Bjorn]

I don't know who he is, but he doesn't even know how to spell video games.

[Dewar]

Hah, I always assumed that was a Jeff Gerstmann joke account or something.

[Undeadpool]

I don't want it bad but I'd be interested to see it and your post is rendered a little pointless without it!

 

I always thought of ZMF as a self-aware gimmick-poster on the AVClub who disappeared years ago, and nothing more. Then I listened to that one-off podcast he did with them recently about the Sons Of Anarchy finale, and it was just embarrassing - a meandering, charmless drunk with no interesting or coherent thoughts on the finale or the show in general. I guess he's also a shouty 'Twitter personality' now?

You're right and that's what I get for posting well after I should've been in bed: laaaaaziiiiiiness leading to a somewhat vapid post. You're also mostly right: I honestly can't tell where the schtick ends and the man begins, if such a line exists.

 

It's not an uncommon thing, but it's very frustrating to see someone decry the establishment and having an opinion in the same breath. I mean, I get it, having an opinion is boring and gets in the way of your offensive fun, but its whole point is to lessen power imbalances in society. Don't rebel against PC; rebel against fucked up social institutions.

THAT'S the part where it all fell apart from me. He both declares himself "the majority" for his beliefs in liking the Video game establishment just the way it is, then rants for pages about what a "rebel" he is and how "rebels" don't mean anything anymore.

 

I got curious and found it for myself (I think?) - https://storify.com/1Novid/zodiac-mf-gets-it-why-dont-yall

 

I don't really have anything to say about this because I have no fucking idea what his point is, except that his idea of "rebellion" is more well-worn and overplayed than the Bill Hicks vinyls he probably has somewhere under his pile of faded Nirvana tees and studded belts. "FUCK HAPPENED TO NEVER TRUST ANYONE OVER 30?" Haha how does anyone take this seriously.

 

He was left off of Giant Bomb's GOTY lists for some weird reason. He took it well.

 

Yeah, weird that the one single real fan of his on the staff dies (RIP Ryan Davis, that one  still stings) and he's suddenly BAFFLED as to why no one wants to hear him all-caps about how torture is awesome and liberals are pussies.

 

I don't know who he is, but he doesn't even know how to spell video games.

He's either lazy performance art or a screaming manchild. That's really it.

[BadHat]

Not to mention, I don't really like Kotaku either (at least not the majority of their output). Last I checked, feeling that way about them or the wider Gawker network was not an especially controversial opinion. Actually, Kotaku used to be pretty skeevy too, their liberal/SJW bent is really a pretty recent turn, and if I were a bit more cynical I'd say it was mostly a populist thing and wasn't meant to be a grand moral gesture (that or they just grew up). But I guess because they're trying to appeal to a wider group of people that makes them the establishment and therefore any criticism of them, no matter how broadly it might apply to other sites or groups or people, is totally fair game.

 

There was a blog I used to check now and then called Game Journos are Incompetent Fuckwits where some freelance writer broke down shitty games journalism, the majority of it from Kotaku. Looking back he was definitely way too acerbic about it, and he got stuck on some of the same issues GGers do now, but the ironic part was he'd occasionally post about how he was a feminist and how that informed his position. I'd really really love to hear what that guy thinks of GG, but I can't find an active twitter or anything.