"Ethics and Journalistic Integrity"

[Bjorn]

Christ on a cracker. There have been accusations for...well, as long as its been up, that 8chan is a hive of child porn, which gamergate supporters all deny, insisting that 8chan operates within the technical law of the US, is a free speech advocate, rapidly takes down all illegal content, etc.

@foldablehuman (Twitter) decided to catalog the kinds of posts that are rampant on 8chan in a Medium post. You can find a link to the Medium post in his Twitter timeline, I won't link to it here. He blurred all the images, but some people still might find it too disturbing. He included examples of both text and image, explaining how most of the images are *technically* legal in the US, though they are illegal in other countries, and would certainly be considered exploitative and obscene given the context they exist in.

KiA is losing their shit. They are actively (Reddit archive) trying to organize a mob for mass reporting foldablehuman and srhbutts to both US and Canadian law enforcement agencies for collecting and distributing child porn. You can find child porn apologists (Reddit archive) all throughout the KiA threads on this (but it's about freeeeeeeeee speeeeeeeech and the ethics of child porn.....wait, wut?). Also, you can find a bunch of posts about what "sick fucks" these two are for having the audacity to go to 8chan and look at what is publicly hosted there.

I really didn't think gamergate could get more disgusting or insane.

[Twig]

I don't even know how to begin responding to something like this. I'm not going to click the link because 1) I'm at work and 2) I really don't want to see whatever it is. I do not feel... good.

[Bjorn]

Totally understandable, but all the links are safe. The first link is to foldablehuman's twitter timeline. The second two links are archives of KiA threads about this, the first one with their attempt to organize a mass report and the second is one of the worst examples of a child porn apologist in a KiA thread. I'll label them in the original post to be clear.

[Twig]

Oh okay then. I misread (and/or you already cleared it up) and thought the first one linked to his timeline with said blurred images.

 

Well

I still shudder when I think about that. It takes a special kind of person to be able to look at that crap to win an argument. God, I am a man and I really could have cried.

Because men never cry of course.

[Bjorn]

I cleaned up the post a bit more to try and make it even more clear. Also, for people who don't even want to click on the reddit archives, here's a taste of the kind of apologia going on (and this is only part of it, there's plenty, this isn't really cherry picking):

[Twig]

"he has to stick to his rule" yeah okay bud he definitely doesn't have the option of looking at people getting off to kids and going "no" because he said he believes in free speech and if he said "no" that'd make him a monster those kids definitely matter less than free speech buhuhuhu

[BadHat]

Did I seriously just read someone say "unalienable human rights" as a defense of exploitative images of children?

 

[Reyturner]

They've talked themselves into a position where they can't ever give ground on the idea that mere emotions (like, say, disgust or horror) could justify "censorship" of any "speech" so long as that speech is "technically legal". After all, that would put them on the slippery slope to recognizing the legitimacy of criticizing sexy ladies in video games. 

 

It is literally pointless to talk to these people. 

[Akidu]

My brain just leaked out of my ears reading that. Exhibit A for humans ability to follow one another down an insanity rabbit hole. 

[Nachimir]

I'm speechless beyond "kill all nerds", but I think BadHat's take is about as succinct as it gets.

 

Did I seriously just read someone say "unalienable human rights" as a defense of exploitative images of children?

 

[Twig]

Hey at least I learned that "unalienable" is technically valid there?

[BadHat]

In more positive news!

 

[BusbyBerkeley]

I think that it would be good if they turned off the internet for like a week or forever.

[Problem Machine]

Isn't by far the most popular Vivian James based account on twitter @vivian_games, who is vocally anti-gg? That probably won't stop being funny.

[Twig]

I wanna see them try to get the "real" Vivian James account verified.

[BadHat]

I'm so fucking furious. I told myself I was done but I just had to probe a bit deeper. I came across this from someone I used to watch and enjoy, and I'm floored.

 

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjdndv

 

Any angle. Any possible angle to deflect negative PR, as long as they don't have to budge in the slightest.

 

I just had someone compare this to reddit's jailbait boards, and how conflating GG with this is the same as presuming that the average reddit user is a pedo. Except... reddit got rid of those boards. Because of exposes and loud public outcry. After they stubbornly refused to remove them because of "free speech." Kind of just like fucking this. And people are seriously suggesting that he's just grandstanding for SJW brownie points?

 

Fuck this earth.

[Merus]

Reddit cares very deeply about free speech only as far as it affects white American males with access to the internet i.e. not the people that most need free speech. I have never heard Reddit talk about, say, Myanmar.

[Bjorn]

I mostly loathe reddit, mostly because of the abhorrent and hypocritical stands on some things. And yet I still find it occasionally useful, and hate myself for that.

 

I'm so fucking furious. I told myself I was done but I just had to probe a bit deeper. I came across this from someone I used to watch and enjoy, and I'm floored.
 
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjdndv
 
Any angle. Any possible angle to deflect negative PR, as long as they don't have to budge in the slightest.
 
I just had someone compare this to reddit's jailbait boards, and how conflating GG with this is the same as presuming that the average reddit user is a pedo. Except... reddit got rid of those boards. Because of exposes and loud public outcry. After they stubbornly refused to remove them because of "free speech." Kind of just like fucking this. And people are seriously suggesting that he's just grandstanding for SJW brownie points?
 
Fuck this earth.

 

Every single thing he wrote applies equally and moreso to the guy who runs 8chan. And yet, no acknowledgement of that in the slightest.

[Ben X]

The most mental thing there imo is his closing:

 

In the end, the only thing Dan Olson achieved was letting child abusers know of a safe space where they can gather.

 

He acknowledges 8chan as a safe space for child abusers, and yet thinks the person at fault is Olson for pointing it out.

[Denial]

This is the guy whose associate has been banned from Twitter for sexually harassing people criticising Gamergate, right? Not a _huge_ surprise, maybe... 

[Bjorn]

Big KiA thread about some game on Steam trying to get a negative review removed. Weird, this doesn't look like it has anything to do with ethics in gaming journalism. Shit like this happens all the time, I wonder why they're interested in this case? Oh, one half of the dev team is a woman. Right.

[Undeadpool]

Oh okay then. I misread (and/or you already cleared it up) and thought the first one linked to his timeline with said blurred images.

 

Well

 

Because men never cry of course.

The hilarious irony of that is that the whole "real men don't cry" isn't much older than 50 or so years. It was basically the 'boomers way of not dealing with all the emotional baggage of going to war since...you know, we were righteous and good and everything was great and emotions are yucky!

Before that it was actually considered the height of masculinity to cry. Look at ancient Greek and Anglo myths: it showed that, even as a warrior, you were still in touch with your emotions and that "side" of yourself.

[Ben X]

The hilarious irony of that is that the whole "real men don't cry" isn't much older than 50 or so years. It was basically the 'boomers way of not dealing with all the emotional baggage of going to war since...you know, we were righteous and good and everything was great and emotions are yucky!

 

Point of information - the "baby boomers" are the children of those who fought in the war, born from the post-war shagfest.

[Griddlelol]

I don't thing the age of a "tradition" (for lack of a better word) has anything to do with its merits. I'm kinda glad we ditched Greek way of crying, along with pederasty.

[Undeadpool]

Point of information - the "baby boomers" are the children of those who fought in the war, born from the post-war shagfest.

Fair dues and you are, of course, correct!

 

They had to deal with having PARENTS who drank the PTSD away...that probably didn't do much for their outlook...

 

 

I don't thing the age of a "tradition" (for lack of a better word) has anything to do with its merits. I'm kinda glad we ditched Greek way of crying, along with pederasty.

My point wasn't that "just because something is tradition that makes it 100% correct," my point was that some people treat the whole "real men don't cry" thing as though it's a self-evident, perpetual truth. Like, for instance, pink being a girly color when, again, in the '50s it was actually considered incredibly manly.