Merus Posted October 16, 2014 In case you guys didn't see it, Penny Arcade did a dickwolves defence all over again for this "I cannot believe I have to say to not make death threats, but obviously gaming journalism hates you". I am pretty glad I do not turn to Penny Arcade for news, I tell you what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gormongous Posted October 16, 2014 In case you guys didn't see it, Penny Arcade did a dickwolves defence all over again for this "I cannot believe I have to say to not make death threats, but obviously gaming journalism hates you". I am pretty glad I do not turn to Penny Arcade for news, I tell you what. I hadn't seen it yet, but it's unbelievable. "Your death threats are unjustified, but enough about that. The cause for which you are making death threats is totally justified." I'm surprised he didn't plug Penny Arcade by name as an alternative to the "contradiction in terms" that is games journalism. I know I should be used to fringe publications using #GamerGate to build a larger audience by now, but still! What an ugly little empire they run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henroid Posted October 16, 2014 And then this popped up into my Twitter feed, and again, it's too perfect how Goobergate continually trips over its own feet. https://twitter.com/untimelygamer/status/522568071241019393 Gamergate could have gone with StopCorruption2014. Of course they went with StopSJWs2014. Because, you know, ethics. #StopGamerGate2014 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BusbyBerkeley Posted October 16, 2014 Ughh. What the fuck is Penny Arcade if not gaming press? How can they just straight up exclude themselves from 'gaming journalism' like that? Show some fucking spine, assholes. Fuck. I'm so fucking glad that there people are writing about games that aren't from the same insular internet man-nerd cave where rape jokes are rad and death threats are obviously not good but maybe you shouldn't have been asking for it? Ughhh. Fuck it. Goddamn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowuponacow Posted October 16, 2014 Both Gamergate (inasmuch as Gamergate can be said to say anything), in a PSA poster they created, and now Totalbiscuit have said that the advice from law enforcement is not to share the fact that you have been threatened, but neither has said where this advice actually comes from. This is a fair point. I did some googling and was unable to anything published by law enforcement on the matter. I'd be interested in knowing what TB's and the poster's source is, or whether it's one of those things that someone sort of remembers reading somewhere once. That said, I'm inclined to agree with TB's logic. The downsides of publicizing threats (whether or not the threats are "real") seem to me to be more definite and clear than the upsides. But, I'd really love to see a take on this issue that was backed up by some sort of professional expertise or hard data. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Problem Machine Posted October 16, 2014 We've already seen what happens when no one publicizes these threats: The people who receive them feel that much more isolated and alone and threatened. Making these threats public make it something that we can all oppose, if only by decrying them, rather than something that must be opposed alone. I think that's more powerful than the thrill of power that those who make threats gain from seeing public reactions -- but who knows? All I know is that the old way was not working, and it seems increasingly to be a silencing tactic masquerading as helpful advice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flynn Posted October 16, 2014 I would have thought this was a parody if the original tweet hadn't been retweeted hundreds of times by gamergate folks: Found via Jim Sterling: https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/522507578665074688 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henroid Posted October 16, 2014 Ah yes, going back to the well of publishers punishing the press when they don't score the game well. ETHICS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bjorn Posted October 16, 2014 In case you guys didn't see it, Penny Arcade did a dickwolves defence all over again for this "I cannot believe I have to say to not make death threats, but obviously gaming journalism hates you". I am pretty glad I do not turn to Penny Arcade for news, I tell you what. I've barely looked at PA over the last year or two. Back at the dawn of the Dickwolves thing, and for some time thereafter, I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for being simply ignorant, rather than malicious, with their words and actions. But they steadily proved that if it was ignorance, it was a malicious and willful ignorance. I grieve for the ones who tried to do it right. When your media doesn’t represent you, or actively attacks you as it has here, it’s not your media. You’ll have to make your own, and it’s not impossible. It’s more possible now than it has ever been in human history, and you’re reading an example of it at this moment. Go your own way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henroid Posted October 16, 2014 I've had to give up on being a fan of that site a long time ago. And yet the community contained in its forums is so dear to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefncrow Posted October 16, 2014 Wow, the New York Times apparently printed a Gamergate article on the front page of the paper. Anita tweeted something to check out the front page tomorrow, and now this story is up on the website with a note indicating that the story appears on Page A1 in the 10/16/2014 edition. Nothing particularly special, and they give way too much credibility to the angle that Gamergate is about ethics in journalism, but how fucking crazy is it that this is front page of the NYT material? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blambo Posted October 16, 2014 A friend sent me this. I'm super weirded out by how the post ended up, sans even the transphobic stuff. The first thing is that I guess it makes sense that a female would be uncomfortable in a group ostensibly made for females filled with males, but then kind of weird that immediately it was attributed to their focus on social issues (maybe true?). I don't agree with the post at all and I think it's probably fake, but if you give the poster the benefit of the doubt you get that same sense of creepiness when people talk about "ladies nights" at bars being filled with dudes, or guys that tell you that they're taking a women's studies track in university "for the chicks". I dunno how widespread it is that people would view the "sjw side" as an extension of a boys club, and just a veneer hiding other motivations, and using the platform as a shield, applying #notyourshield with earnest. They're probably just not exposed to facts but I feel like its super sad that people can have this impression if made in good faith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hermie Posted October 16, 2014 Presented without comment: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolegium Posted October 16, 2014 Hope that person never reads A Modest Proposal. Or rather, I hope they do, and then realise how ridiculous they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gormongous Posted October 16, 2014 Hope that person never reads A Modest Proposal. Or rather, I hope they do, and then realise how ridiculous they are. Actually, looking at the full conversation on Twitter, it's all several dozen people just laughing at the guy as he becomes more and more confused and defensive, before Walker apologizes for allowing the ridicule and the guy accepts his own mistake with some small grace. It's sad as hell that this is not that far from better interactions I've seen surrounding #GamerGate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hermie Posted October 16, 2014 Actually, looking at the full conversation on Twitter, it's all several dozen people just laughing at the guy as he becomes more and more confused and defensive, before Walker apologizes for allowing the ridicule and the guy accepts his own mistake with some small grace. It's sad as hell that this is not that far from better interactions I've seen surrounding #GamerGate. Hm, that all happened after I was busy screencapping it to also ridecule him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gormongous Posted October 16, 2014 Hm, that all happened after I was busy screencapping it to also ridecule him. Make no mistake, he's still petulant about it and admits to nothing specific, but he does back down, which is rare enough these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twig Posted October 16, 2014 I sent a tweet to @Patreon telling them that 8chan literally hosts child porn. Finding the link to send them was pretty horrible. Is it... actual, real child porn or just drawn child porn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SecretAsianMan Posted October 16, 2014 I sent a tweet to @Patreon telling them that 8chan literally hosts child porn. Finding the link to send them was pretty horrible. That's actually how I found out about it in the first place. I think it was a tweet from Zoe Quinn but I'm not positive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twig Posted October 16, 2014 Wow, if that's provable, how is the website still allowed to exist? Like what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henroid Posted October 16, 2014 Wow, if that's provable, how is the website still allowed to exist? Like what. If I had the guess, the owner would say something about not being responsible for his users, and then gibberish about free speech and "deal with it." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clyde Posted October 16, 2014 Yeah, that seems like something to send to law-enforcement rather than to Patreon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twig Posted October 16, 2014 If I had the guess, the owner would say something about not being responsible for his users, and then gibberish about free speech and "deal with it." Yeah, that's how he'd deal with people on Twitter talking about it, but, like, the FBI? They're not going to walk away because someone throws out a FREE SPEECH!!! Basically what clyde said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
