thestalkinghead Posted September 1, 2013 that would be like the xbox kinect tracking you facial expressions and heart rate while watching a film, Orwell would have never imagined technology could be like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tegan Posted September 1, 2013 That's kind of why the Kinect is no longer required. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thestalkinghead Posted September 1, 2013 yeah, and it's why we need discussions about this sort of thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elmuerte Posted September 1, 2013 It all started back in the day Gaben was still working at Microsoft. He made a backdoor in Windows so that later he could use it to spy on people playing Half Life 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thestalkinghead Posted September 1, 2013 isn't that just a capability of steam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twig Posted September 1, 2013 I also thought this was a joke thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thestalkinghead Posted September 1, 2013 well as i said i know it's sounds crazy and i know i can't prove it, but lets just say you give me the benefit of the doubt, what do you think about a developer doing this (secretly observing players) as a research tool for making better games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TychoCelchuuu Posted September 1, 2013 Nobody spies on you playing games. Would it be ethical for them to spy on you playing without your knowledge? Only as ethical as it would be for a neighbor to watch you playing through the window without your knowledge. How ethical is that? I don't know, but it's not a game-specific issue. It's exactly as ethical as your neighbor watching you watch a movie or cook dinner or clean your windows without your knowledge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thestalkinghead Posted September 1, 2013 did you actually say anything there or just ask questions? i don't know, is this a question? am i actually saying anything or am i just doing exactly what you have just done? this isn't a pigeon-specific issue. it's exactly the same as lurking on a forum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osmosisch Posted September 1, 2013 well as i said i know it's sounds crazy and i know i can't prove it, but lets just say you give me the benefit of the doubtYyyyyeaaah, no, not going to happen in this case I don't think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben X Posted September 1, 2013 that would be like the xbox kinect tracking you facial expressions and heart rate while watching a film, Orwell would have never imagined technology could be like that Okay, this HAS to be a joke thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick R Posted September 1, 2013 Wait a second... did you actually say anything tHere or just ask questions? i don't know, is this a question? am i actuaLly saying anything or am i just doing exactly what you have just done? this isn't a pigeon-specific issue. it's exactly the same as lurking on a forum well as i said i know it's sounds cRazy and i know i can't prove it, but lets just say you give me the benefit of the doubt, what do you think about a deveLoper doing this (secretly observing players) as a research tool for making better games? Half-Life 3 is going to be a rogue-like. Confirmed. He HAS been watching you, and his intentions are more nefarious than ever! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TychoCelchuuu Posted September 2, 2013 well as i said i know it's sounds cRazy and i know i can'T prove it, but letS just say you give me the benefit of the doubt, what do you think about a developer doing this (secretly observing players) as a research tool for making better games? Au contraire, mon frere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brkl Posted September 2, 2013 well as i said i know it's sounds crazy and i know i can't prove it, but lets just say you give me the benefit of the doubt, what do you think about a developer doing this (secretly observing players) as a research tool for making better games?Well, I think it's unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Leego Posted September 2, 2013 Not wanting to trengthen any conspiracy theories but it happens in online multiplayer all the tim3, dunnit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dosed Posted September 2, 2013 What in God's name is going on in this thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elmuerte Posted September 2, 2013 Au contraire, mon frere. I've got no idea what I'm doing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dosed Posted September 2, 2013 I've got no idea what I'm doing That's interesting muerte because if you run your post through Babel Fish in this order English > Danish > Arabic > Dutch > English you get "GABE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE DOING." Co-winkydink? I think not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SiN Posted September 2, 2013 Nobody spies on you playing games. Would it be ethical for them to spy on you playing without your knowledge? Only as ethical as it would be for a neighbor to watch you playing through the window without your knowledge. How ethical is that? I don't know, but it's not a game-specific issue. It's exactly as ethical as your neighbor watching you watch a movie or cook dinner or clean your windows without your knowledge. I don't want to get drawn into this tin-foil hat discussion, but: The difference is that you can close your blinds, curtains, etc. If Steam (or Kinect, or your smartphone, etc) wanted to spy on you without asking first, or the option to turn it off, that would *totally* be possible, and pretty unethical. Of course, people would figure it out eventually (security folks sniffing incoming/outgoing internet traffic) but it's likely that a majority of customers wouldn't care or do much about it. Personally, I don't mind developers collecting analytics/metrics, but I want to be asked first and (ideally) I'd like to see the data being sent back in plain-text. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thestalkinghead Posted September 3, 2013 well thanks for an actual sensible discussion on the subject SiN, and i agree. one thing i have to say though, i am Gabe Newell, and i made HL3 years ago, i just didn't sell it or release it because i am already rich enough, plus people have been installing steam in anticipation of HL3 for years, while in the meantime buying game$ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twig Posted September 3, 2013 I can't handle all these Half-Life: Revelations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nappi Posted September 3, 2013 I can't hide my Half-Life: Origins anymore. I'm Gabe Newell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites