Problem Machine Posted October 9, 2013 You know, I think maybe there's something to be said for them outright admitting "yeah we know it's wrong and dumb but we will make more money this way so fuck all y'all." Kind of refreshing. Obviously still gross as fuck, but at least it owns it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigJKO Posted October 9, 2013 I don't get why they bother including female characters in the first place, if they're going to pander exclusively to what the male demopgraphic wants? Do the guys who want scantily clad women actually want to play as a woman in a multiplayer game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SecretAsianMan Posted October 9, 2013 Do the guys who want scantily clad women actually want to play as a woman in a multiplayer game? I've always wondered this too. I mean, can you even ogle your character if it's first person? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laxan Posted October 9, 2013 I've always wondered this too. I mean, can you even ogle your character if it's first person? Would they possibly include female characters just to justify their usage in marketing materials? Evony eventually included some sort of Queen character to try make their "Play discreetly, m'lord" ads seem less ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dewar Posted October 9, 2013 Oh god, I used to play Evony before all that marketing BS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osmosisch Posted October 10, 2013 Oh god, I used to play Evony before all that marketing BS. Discreetly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hermie Posted October 10, 2013 Discreetly? Where is the like button on this forum? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clyde Posted October 16, 2013 I always have such a difficult time with temporary solutions. I agree that intoxication elevates the risk for women unfairly, but we should also be trying to create circumstances in which the ladies can walk around naked, high as a kite, with little risk of being harmed. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/10/sexual_assault_and_drinking_teach_women_the_connection.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merus Posted October 17, 2013 See, no-one asks why Wartune needs Male Gamers Only. http://the-toast.net/2013/10/15/male-gamers/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osmosisch Posted October 19, 2013 This seems a bit of a hopeful trend. People realising that more work is not a good reward for doing good work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apelsin Posted October 19, 2013 Some people just want to cause chaos and, in turn, command the attention of a given group of people. This thread is not the only example of thestalkinghead doing this. Ignore button, people. We have an ignore button? That Crytek thing really just makes me... tired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osmosisch Posted October 19, 2013 We have an ignore button?It's hidden in the popup menu on your name in the top-right. Took me some time too. I never expected to have to use it here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erkki Posted October 20, 2013 Wow, I was a few months behind with this thread and catching up took almost a whole day. Most of the confusion seemed to be over a simple question: whether being a feminist means joining a cult or whether it's just a position. Until it turned out that actually it was about feminists not caring about the horrible oppression imposed on men, such as having to play more games of tennis than women would to win a tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadHat Posted October 20, 2013 Well, flicking through the last few pages has been somewhat educational for me, at least. I've been frequently frustrated with the simpering "why call it feminism when we should be fighting for equality" non-position that's been rearing its head again lately, not just for how clearly most people espousing it fail to understand the salient points behind feminism, but in how limp and non-committal it is, how it refuses to meet reality on it's on terms and instead ekes out a safe neutral space where you can't be held accountable to your politics. However, I've had my own qualms with self-identifying as a feminist which I now realize were just as limp as pointless, thanks to a bunch of great posts explaining feminism and what it means to support it in very clear terms. My issue with the term wasn't that it didn't account for other positions, since I mostly find myself coming down on that side of the argument anyway, but rather that I had the impression that identifying as feminist meant that you had to be actively forwarding the cause in some way instead of just adopting the attitude in everything you do. Now that I actually think about it, not identifying for such a waffly reason really only weakens the term by strengthening the position that you can be "all for" feminism and acknowledge everything the movement stands for without actually attaching your name to it, no matter how inconsequential your voice might be. So, thanks for clearing that up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merus Posted October 20, 2013 Oh god that whole episode was worth it thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tegan Posted October 23, 2013 At the risk of starting another shitstorm, know what branch of feminism I don't like? Trans-exclusive radical feminism. As in the branch that discriminates against transgender people. I'm only bringing this up because noted anti-LGBT hate group The Pacific Justice Institute flat-out made shit up about a transgender student harassing fellow students last week and got called on their bullshit and noted TERF Cathy Brennan spoke on their behalf. Worst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick R Posted October 23, 2013 Yeah, all that shit is gross. Lot of TERF's are really aggressive about it, often harassing transwomen online. Depressing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osmosisch Posted October 23, 2013 Oh god that whole episode was worth it thank youYeah, it 's been super encouraging to read some people getting educated by the shrapnel of informed posts bouncing off tsh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twmac Posted October 23, 2013 I have generally abstained from posting in here, and I am a little afraid about the reactions to this link I wrote: http://www.arcadianrhythms.com/2013/10/releasing-the-inner-man-child/ It came out a couple of days before the Rock Paper Shotgun article rooted around the same sort of thing. Anyway would appreciate feedback, the pointing out of flaws etc, as it something I have become increasingly tired of in the gaming community (I wrote a similar piece called 'Does this look Sexist to you?' a couple of years back). By and large some of the sentiments I've read here I've found pretty distressing as this is definitely a community I respect. Finding attitudes that I have little respect for in terms of being anti-feminism is disappointing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clyde Posted October 23, 2013 What is the thesis of the essay you linked? It looks like you are making an argument, but I'm having difficulty figuring out what you are claiming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twmac Posted October 23, 2013 The thesis? Essay? Just kidding. The main point is that, basically, I am pretty sick of the treatment and attitude of the gaming community at large towards women in gaming. A problem that I consider myself to have contributed towards with some ill advised writing and flawed outlook. It rambles a bit but one of the things that bothers me is that gaming and the way that it caters to its audience creates a a self-fulfilling cycle. The community identify with Judd Nelson's character, and don't believe that it is them that are troubled and need a reality adjustment and that really it is everyone who criticises the thing they love that needs adjusting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadHat Posted October 24, 2013 Scott Adams (Gilbert guy) just did an AMA over at Reddit, and I was pretty eager to see whether he was getting grilled for his hilarious blog post on men's rights (since deleted, but you can read it here). Well, he didn't exactly get grilled, but he did respond at least. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1p2lwp/i_created_dilbert_ask_me_anything/ccy3ckc The comments then descend into fawning and excuses about how people misconstrued his tone and don't actually understand the content of his argument... and then nobody bothers to explain what the fuck he actually meant. Pretty much all the comments attempting to call him on his shit are downvoted, because Reddit. Really though I don't really see how his post could be misinterpreted that wildly, it seems pretty cut and dry what he's trying to say even if you ignore the unfortunate rhetoric. But then you see that he posted stuff like the below image in response to reasonable objections and you realise, oh, he just doesn't give enough of a shit about what he's saying to actually attempt to stand behind it in any meaningful way, so he'd rather blame the internet for not being "rational" enough because that is definitely not a problem he or his devoted readers have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gormongous Posted October 24, 2013 Ugh... In addition to the museum-quality instance of gaslighting on display, I think Mr. Adams could use some time reading up on the Dunning-Kruger effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twig Posted October 24, 2013 I was really confused because at first I thought he was making fun of MRAs, and then I had to read that paragraph where things shift like five times before I realized he was basically just saying "thank god I'm a man". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadHat Posted October 24, 2013 Heh, I just realised I called him "Gilbert guy" and wondered how I'd gotten that wrong for a second before remembering I'd read this before posting. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1p2lwp/i_created_dilbert_ask_me_anything/ccy3s9h Share this post Link to post Share on other sites