MrHoatzin Posted May 14, 2004 Half-Life was full of these, but they were all scripted and didn't seem as if they could've been avoided. The first time around indeed they seemed horrific but every subsequent pass through the game they were just events... Ok, I go around the corner and press the button and the elevator falls and some scientists die. For some odd reason events in the more recent emergent games seem more freaky. In GTAIII (I guess I will be incessantly talking about this one, just like Intrepid can't leggo Hitman) I was driving on the overpass in Staunton, south away from the Columbians when I saw a few cars in front of me a maroon Kuruma (whatever that car is called) slowly veer left towards the hole in the bridge between two directions of traffic. I started yelling softly to my monitor, oh, no, no, NO, NO! but the car fell down under into the water. I've driven the car into the water myself dozens of times, I've blown up cars and ran over some unfortunate motherfuckers and fatherfuckers, but this random act of horror that I had nothing to do with made me shudder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hussdiesel Posted May 14, 2004 you're taking in the (horrific) sights when you're trying to flee from the columbians!? But, I know what you mean. Just knowing that certain things happen more freely than others can really pull you into a game. Having that random event happen while playing a game you've probably played dozens of times adds a couple of things to the experience 1. It makes the game world seem alive and makes the game more immersive, and 2. it keeps the game fresh and exciting. You'll keep playing and paying attention in case something else happens. I think that's part of the appeal of "rag doll" physics. I can blow away the same enemy numerous times...and the heap he'll crumple into will be different everytime! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepid Homoludens Posted May 14, 2004 I'm still stuck in Staunton myself. Last night I was trying a new tactic for stealing those 3 kinds of cars that Kenji instructed me to (I wanted a fast, nicely maneuverable car on hand to get me to those 3 cars). Naturally, being in a hurry, I crashed that damned Banshee. So I just decided to park it for a bit and take a break. Suddenly a huge streetfight broke right in front of me, gangbangers getting beat up by old ladies, hookers rumbling with suits. Many of them got floored and bloody. Then the money started appearing, and man, being the whore that I am I just ran up and grabbed all that floating cash and waited for more. Meanwhile the ambulances came and the gapers increased. More money appeared, and I was the happiest street punk. More change for the Pay-n-Spray!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHoatzin Posted May 14, 2004 Trep, perhaps this is the only time ever you're gonna hear these words come out of my mouth: Stinger rocks. It feels so wrong, somehow, to like something that goes by that name... Anyway, Yakuza or otherwise, they're great cars, fairly decent speed and what they don't have in speed they more than compensate with great manoeuvring. I actually solved that mission by parking a Stinger by the Pay and Spray and taking some random race car off the street to Kenji's to accept the mission. The closest car to the Casino I picked up with the random race car, the one in the university parking lot with the Stinger I prepared, and the one in the hospital parking lot with the minivan that is parked in the garage right there across the pay and spray ramp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepid Homoludens Posted May 14, 2004 Well yeah, that's how I was trying to do it. I hate that stupid van, handles like a drunken horny grandmother wearing bikini and platform shoes in a bar full of supermodel men. The game's a wicked bitch, notice how slow moving garbage trucks and old stationwagons suddenly appear once you start that mission? It feels so wrong, somehow, to like something that goes by that name... You may need some therapy, but I will NOT be the one to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toblix Posted May 14, 2004 This is what I(and probably many others)'ve been saying since I played Scorched Earth for the first time. The coolest feature that can possibly be implemented in a computer game is physics. Like the ragdoll moments you mentioned. The sequence right at the beginning of Max Payne 2, where you shoot some guy dead, and he is thrown, in slow motion into a bunch of shelves and boxes. It's something you can reload and play over again a thousand times. I think Half-Life 2 will include some great physics-based gameplay, especially with the physics guns. The next hurdle is simulation of liquids and soft bodies, which will be just fabulous. Can anyone remember how Volition pimped the fluid and gas simulation that would be all over in Red Faction, and then when the game was released it was nowhere to be found? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepid Homoludens Posted May 14, 2004 The sequence right at the beginning of Max Payne 2, where you shoot some guy dead, and he is thrown, in slow motion into a bunch of shelves and boxes. It's something you can reload and play over again a thousand times. Two thousand times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ragnar Posted May 14, 2004 If you want physics, play Bontago! It's a really cool game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toblix Posted May 14, 2004 Yeah, Bontago's fun, but only the kind of game I'd bother playing against real people, and I there's only a direct IP connection option and no game browser. But it's definitely the kind of gameplay that only proper physics simulation can, uh... give? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ragnar Posted May 14, 2004 You can play hotseat too I believe, but no, the AI is not very good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erkki Posted May 14, 2004 Aahh... you are making me want to play GTA3 again. I just finished Vice City for the third time a week ago. Now I've been trying to find new challenges in Hitman Contracts as I've done all-zeroes on all levels except the demo level where I always get an alert no matter what I do. And I don't have enuff time or patience for those all-zero suit-only speedruns that the crazy folks at hitmanforum.com are doing. But it just isn't as fun as Hitman 2 and I'm already bored with it. So maybe I'll install GTA3 tomorrow. KJAH! One love plus one love make two. So this is studio two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepid Homoludens Posted May 14, 2004 Aahh... you are making me want to play GTA3 again. You little whore! Admit it, all you want is to pick up some ho's and bang them in your Banshee and slap them around for your money back after. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Posted May 14, 2004 You little whore! Admit it, all you want is to pick up some ho's and bang them in your Banshee and slap them around for your money back after. I was always doing that, the chainsaw in Vice City was my weapon of choice. Sometimes i fear myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepid Homoludens Posted May 14, 2004 I think they should have come with SuperHo's. You know, they charge a lot more, but you get THAT much more health and pleasure. But if you fuck with them they'll come after you with their switchblades, even call their girlfriends to gang up on you and you build a reputation with them as 'That-mofo-who-hurt-Shantay-you-see-him-you-slash-him' prick. They travel in packs, some of them are mean-ass lesbians and you DO NOT mess with them. That would be sweet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Posted May 14, 2004 they could hide cheesewire in their bras mwahahaha oh the evil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toblix Posted May 14, 2004 Just something I thought of regarding physics. If you're into physics based gaming, check out Chronic Logic's games. Pontifex (before it went 3d) and Gish are both great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepid Homoludens Posted May 14, 2004 Damn you, toblix, for using that Angielara Jolie avatar. Bitch. If I weren't gay I'd hump my monitor right now. ........ [looks at Angielara again]..........ooh, and she does like girls, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vansau Posted May 14, 2004 I wanna know why you can't have sex on a motorcycle in Vice City. Not that I really want to, but I thought it would be funny. Speaking of funny places to have sex, they should have also given us that option with the airplane and the speedboats. Just think, your health could go up while you lose control of the vehicle and crash it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Posted May 14, 2004 If I weren't gay I'd hump my monitor right now. Why does the fact that you're gay prevent you from shagging your monitor. That's practically descrimination, that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vansau Posted May 14, 2004 You know, there was a lack of half naked men in the GTA games. I think the gay community should sue like Haitii did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Posted May 14, 2004 they were in GTA1 though, i remember a superb mission called 'smack the bitches' or something and you had to go around punching these gay targets for some reason and they'd come out with all sorts of uber-camp stuff. genius. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepid Homoludens Posted May 14, 2004 Why does the fact that you're gay prevent you from shagging your monitor. That's practically descrimination, that is. I don't think my monitor goes for me. It has the hots for my desklamp, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHoatzin Posted May 15, 2004 I think they should have come with SuperHo's. You know, they charge a lot more, but you get THAT much more health and pleasure. But if you fuck with them they'll come after you with their switchblades, even call their girlfriends to gang up on you and you build a reputation with them as 'That-mofo-who-hurt-Shantay-you-see-him-you-slash-him' prick. They travel in packs, some of them are mean-ass lesbians and you DO NOT mess with them. That would be sweet.Oh wow and make them allied with the russian mafiaa! That would be out of whach!Oh shit... THe keys are running all ove rt the keyboard I can'y seem to hunt the mdown... Ok, wait a second... I just had tow esspressos, a tub of popcorn, three uge glasses of red wine and lots of pot.... and you're finishing it off with trix with horseradish... I'm sorry but I am stoned,,, I felt soo much bette r while I was just reading what you ad written, whenb it came time to chase the keya on this board it was too much... and yet I wrote hteis paragraph.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intrepid Homoludens Posted May 15, 2004 Damn you, bitch. Gimme some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHoatzin Posted May 15, 2004 Trix and horsrradish? Sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
