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I think Pitch Black is overrated. It's kind of corny, Vin Diesel is kind of a turd, and it bothered me endlessly that they luck out and find these glowing slugs that produce enough light to repel the alien bugs and the alien bugs are too stupid to just sweep in and scatter them quickly before the light could damage them. With as vicious as they are, they could have easily overwhelmed them and killed them all without barely sustaining more than a sunburn. Also, I may just not like these types of movies.

 

Also, why was everyone pissed off that the teenager turns out to be a girl? What was the actual point or impact of that twist? I never understood that.

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Videodrome. I really tried to like it. Especially after The Naked Lunch. But the whole thing just came off as too deliberately try hard and it felt boring.

Maybe that's because I missed the generation boat of that being super weird, new, and 'out there' but that context doesn't suddenly make me enjoy it as a film to watch

I feel the same about Taxi Driver.

Star Wars Empire Strikes back is the only SW movie I can watch in full and enjoy; I'm right there with Twig, the EU is what let's me still enjoy that world.

As for well known anime, why do people talk about Appleseed? That movie should be mass recalled.

As much as I liked Ghost in The Shell the first like five times I saw it I don't think much of it holds up. Some of the scenes are really well made, and I still love the boss battle with the tank (probably my favourite part). But there's way too much time put into the 'trippy bro' monologues. The soundtrack is still great though.

Everything touched by Christopher Nolan that isn't The Prestige. Memento maybe gets a pass.

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been a long time since i seen it but wasn't the idea that aliens were attracted to the smell of blood or something and she was old enough to be having periods?

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LOL I must have seen that movie forever ago, then. Seems like an obvious thing to miss.

 

As for well known anime, why do people talk about Appleseed? That movie should be mass recalled.

 

Appleseed Ex Machina has a legit as hell soundtrack, tho.

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 I could be wrong but I don't think anyone thinks Bad Boys is any kind of classic. It's Bad Boys 2 that has the crazy cult following for being so mind-blowingly excessive.

 

Oh that would explain a lot. I guess I was watching the wrong movie.

 

Since we're talking anime. Trigun. 

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This thread.

 

Let's be honest here, this thread isn't a classic.

 

I can't work out if this thread is supposed to be 'works that are overrated' or 'classics that didn't work for me'. Like, the latter thread might have potential if everyone goes into it knowing that nothing is 100% liked except there'll be one person whose tastes are so out of alignment with everyone else that it just causes friction.

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I don't really understand the term "overrated" other than meaning: "I didn't like something that a lot of people like."

 

So yeah, it's probably the latter - classics that I don't like. 

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He'd incompetent except when he's not. He's the ultimate confident badass going into the ruin in the opening scene, but when he takes the statue he ends up triggering every trap in the place. He fluidly bounces between being a superman and an everyman and that's his appeal and why the film works so well. It allows these huge crazy action sequences to work because he gets his ass handed to him enough for there to still be stakes even as he is doing insane shit hanging on that truck that no real person could ever actually do.

 

He's definitely a jerk though, in the way that most Bogart characters were jerks. I can see that being a turn off if you don't find Harrison Ford to be so unbelievably charming that you forgive him.

 

I wonder how you feel about John McClane in the first Die Hard film, because that superman/everyman balance is also one of the things that movie got really right.

 

Yeah seen in that respect I could get it. (and of course if he was just fully competent there's no dramatic tension). I think him being incompetent at times is good, but weirdly the coupling of often incompetent and jerkiness meant that he was not admirable to me, so each element irked me more than otherwise.

 

I haven't seen Die Hard so I'll have to get back to you on Mr. McClane.

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Metropolis. It's slow, badly acted, the plot is all over the place (And I've researched to make sure that wasn't just patchy modern editing), its conclusion is not "overthrow this dumb class system" but "both classes need to play nicer together" ugh false equivalence.

 

Pros: It's very beautiful and it's at least trying to criticise the class system. 

 

Also I hated Citizen Kane.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark is a once-in-a-lifetime masterwork. It's the highlight of everyone's career, or close to it: Spielberg in his prime and a giant budget after back-to-back hits; Harrison Ford's middle entry into an insane triple-whammy (The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders, Blade Runner); Lawrence Kasden's script is flawless;  Some of Williams's best music; et cetera ad infinitum.

 

I love Raiders to pieces in almost all its aspects, but the movie still has a god awful literal deus ex machina ending. If Jones and Ravenwood never existed, the story would have ended the very same way.

 

Indiana Jones as a character, of course, I'd defend to death. Of course he's "incompetent" to a degree, that's where the humor comes from. If you want a perfect hero, go watch Banzai Buckaroo, one of the most boring pieces of shit that ever became a classic. Indy succeeds as often as he fails, but he always persists, and that's his heroic trait. If Indiana Jones dodged every punch, we couldn't even see how brilliantly relatable Harrison Ford takes those, particularly in the face. Indy was one of the last great heroes allowed to show pain. I'm really missing the hell out of that in modern popcorn cinema.

 

Dammit, let's hope someone punches Han Solo in December.

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Metropolis. It's slow, badly acted, the plot is all over the place (And I've researched to make sure that wasn't just patchy modern editing), its conclusion is not "overthrow this dumb class system" but "both classes need to play nicer together" ugh false equivalence.

 

Pros: It's very beautiful and it's at least trying to criticise the class system. 

 

Also I hated Citizen Kane.

 

Have you seen the Metropolis anime version that came out in 2001? I haven't seen the original but I wonder how they compare.

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Personally, I love this thread. I tend to be way out of touch with what is considered a 'classic' and tend to find out after the fact that I am an idiot for not liking a random thing I watched that others apparently consider a masterpiece. This thread makes me feel like slightly less of an idiot.

 

And while we're at it, The Fifth Element is also partially cool but kind of garbage. Bruce Willis just has this slightly rapey vibe throughout the movie that has always bothered me.

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The Fifth Element is a weird movie. I don't like Bruce Willis (he always has a rapey vibe, I think that's just his face), and I think the movie is pretty bad. I loved it as a kid, but watching it again in my early twenties (it pains me that I am no longer in my early twenties) I was severely disappointed. 

 

I think it's a classic because it's one of the few scifi movies outside of star wars with a relatively wide appeal. 

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To bring this back up: Scooby Doo is a national treasure and it should be preserved in perpetuity. All of it.

 

Scrappy Doo is a lovable little scamp that saved the show and he deserves your praise, not your scorn.

 

Worship at the altar of the Scooby Doo franchise. Stand before it and invoke blessings of those meddling kids. Live by even the most recent of their commandments: Be Cool, Scooby Doo. Be Cool and love Scooby Doo, because Scooby Doo loves you.

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To bring this back up: Scooby Doo is a national treasure and it should be preserved in perpetuity. All of it.

 

Scrappy Doo is a lovable little scamp that saved the show and he deserves your praise, not your scorn.

 

Worship at the altar of the Scooby Doo franchise. Stand before it and invoke blessings of those meddling kids. Live by even the most recent of their commandments: Be Cool, Scooby Doo. Be Cool and love Scooby Doo, because Scooby Doo loves you.

 

Also, any show where a stoner and a stoner dog eat sandwiches as tall as they are is alright in my book.

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The Fifth Element is a weird movie. I don't like Bruce Willis (he always has a rapey vibe, I think that's just his face), and I think the movie is pretty bad. I loved it as a kid, but watching it again in my early twenties (it pains me that I am no longer in my early twenties) I was severely disappointed. 

 

I think it's a classic because it's one of the few scifi movies outside of star wars with a relatively wide appeal. 

 

Yeah the only part that really holds up in Chris Rocks character being so weird.

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Scrappy Doo is a lovable little scamp that saved the show and he deserves your praise, not your scorn.

 

I loved it in Mystery Inc where Scrappy gets mentioned once, Fred solemnly says that they had all agreed never to speak of him again. 

 

Also, fuck the patriarchy AND capitalism.  Scooby Doo was a bunch of stoner socialists before it was cool. 

 

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I really like The Fifth Element. I don't think it stands out for its story, and sure Corbin Dallas is kind of a weird dude, but the movie just sits as such a unique vision of a sci-fi / future fantasy setting. Every time I watch it I feel like I see something new in the design of the world. It's very colourful, I think it uses the 90s movie colour palette in a way that doesn't appear gaudy as the years go on. It's easily one of my favourite movies. Also, there are so many characters where you can tell the actors are having a ball of a time performing them.

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The Fifth Element was a good world but man was it a weak story. And all the fun characters get exorcised before the ending of the movie, so the final place is where it really focuses in on the boring/trite themes and narrative that I didn't care about.

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I take it a lot of people have the feeling that if all an action movie does with its story is hit the paces it needs to advance the action, it's a bad movie. I think this is an overrated stance.

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I don't really understand the term "overrated" other than meaning: "I didn't like something that a lot of people like."

If you take the term at face value, it's a claim that something is generally "rated" too highly. It's making an objective claim: that the thing is less good than people espouse, rather than that you simply like it less than others. For art it would probably imply that it's flawed in a way that people are ignoring, rather than it simply not being to your taste. For example, perhaps it's not as insightful as people claim. People could still like it, but it wouldn't be as good.

Have you seen the Metropolis anime version that came out in 2001? I haven't seen the original but I wonder how they compare.

While it takes its name and the very broadest strokes of its plot and setting from the Fritz Lang film (i.e. it's a heavily socially stratified future and there's a machine woman/girl in a big tower), it's really a different thing. It's more "inspired by" than "remake of".

I love the ending of the anime. That kind of audiovisual spectacle really hits the spot for me.

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